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Sometimes the US perspective of things is completely surreal for me as a European. In a country where you can buy assault rifles with minimal background checks,

Sometimes the US perspective of things is completely surreal for me as a European. In a country where you can buy assault rifles with minimal background checks, people worry about addresses being available because someone might be able to look up the address to kill them with a drone and a home made bomb.

kajecounterhack 3y ago
> In a country where you can buy assault rifles with minimal background checks, people worry about addresses being available because someone might be able to look up the address to kill them with a drone and a home made bomb. Drones and IUDs may be less traceable than guns and offer even less risk to the user. Currently if you're going to use a gun, you basically have to be suicidal or care zero about the consequences. But that also brings up a good point -- people worry about addresses being available because someone might be able to use a gun and kill them as well. Or hell, just their fists. Doxxing is dangerous, is this not the case in Europe as well?
- fullspectrumdev 3y ago
  Doxing remains dangerous in Europe, the posters just trying to score cheap points.
  - mikrotikker 3y ago
    Remember that time a bunch of Scandinavian bikers got hold of some Carl Gustovs and used them to explode a rivals building among other things?
- edot 3y ago
  > Drones and IUDs may be less traceable than guns and offer even less risk to the user. Gotta watch out for those intra-uterine devices - they can take out a city block. ;)
  - kajecounterhack 3y ago
    Oops! Thanks. s/IUD/IED/r
- janalsncm 3y ago
  Depends. If you’re really looking to avoid detection then 3d printing a gun is a lot easier than a drone.
oaththrowaway 3y ago
Curious what you define as "minimal background checks" and "assault rifles" as
- digdugdirk 3y ago
  They already said they're European. The terms you mentioned are very Americanized/America-centric phrases. The rest of the world doesn't really have the same concern or context, because the rest of the world doesn't have the same issues or political/media environment.
  - oaththrowaway 3y ago
    I was quoting their terms
- YetAnotherNick 3y ago
  Not American, and curious about the checks required for different weapons. I get lot of contradictory information online. Also read in many places buying illegally is easy. How true is that?
  - oaththrowaway 3y ago
    To purchase a firearm from a store or any "licensed" individual (someone who has an FFL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Firearms_License https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Firearms_License) you must pass a background check done by the FBI. You can read more here: https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/more-fbi-services-and-information/nics https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/more-fbi-services-an... If you buy a gun from someone on a classifieds site or friend/family, in most states you don't have to get a background check to transfer ownership of the firearm. This is typically the "loophole" that people refer to when they want Universal Background Checks. I'm not sure what you mean by buying illegally - whether you mean to someone prohibited from owning firearms (like a felon or something), or buying "illegal" guns... Either way there are usually stiff penalties for owning restricted devices. For example if I were to 3D print an auto-sear for an AR-15 (making it full-auto), that's a ticket to a 10 year sentence in federal prison. Assuming I don't have the permission slip from the ATF. As for prohibited persons buying a firearm, I'm not sure what the penalties are, but at the least it'd be a violation of their release?
marfil 3y ago
As a European who has been living in the US for a decade, yeah, you're pretty spot on. Americans are a scared people, probably the most scared I've ever seen. Afraid of the gov't, the neighbors, and random people they don't even know. I've gotten a ton of hate as a foreigner and I am not surprised a hateful, greedy and selfish population like here is afraid somebody will take them out with an improvised device.
- justrealist 3y ago
  And yet, you live here. Annals of revealed preferences.
  - marfil 3y ago
    Oh no, don't get me wrong, I've been dying to leave, nothing I would like more. But I am sure you've heard of the term economic slavery, and that's what I have become. Don't make enough to make the ends meet, and don't make enough to leave. Have to pay the debts before I can give up the passport.
    - thieving_magpie 3y ago
      I'm sure we could pull some money together to get you out of economic slavery. Don't want that on our conscience
    - slingnow 3y ago
      You poor soul. Moved to such a terrible nation full of those awful people you described and now you seem to be completely powerless to leave. And I'm 100% sure this is everyone elses fault. At what point do you look inward for someone to blame for your circumstances?
      - marfil 3y ago
        I was forced to move here when my parent got married. Never wanted to come here, didn't have a choice, tried to like it and I don't think that's humanly possible. Don't be a dick.
fullspectrumdev 3y ago
As an European living in Europe I worry about addresses being available because someone suitably unhinged and upset can come to my house and stab me, set it on fire, etc.
jjkeddo199 3y ago
As other commenters have mentioned, US American's ease of access to firearms does not extend to their usage. If you buy a weapon and wrongly shoot someone, there is a system in place to make sure you are found and punished. There is no such system in place for catching people flying drones.
- TheCleric 3y ago
  Sure there is (if you use that drone as a weapon). It would be the same investigation as someone putting a bomb at your front door. They’d analyze the components and narrow down the people with the motive and figure out which one bought them.
- Zagitta 3y ago
  Have you not heard of remote-id? It's a legal requirement for drones above 250g to broadcast not only their position but also the position of the operator and their identification number.
  - jjkeddo199 3y ago
    There are custom firmwares out to bypass these types of things, unfortunately.
  - csomar 3y ago
    Yeah, I am pretty sure the people of Hamas are following the guidelines and have satisfied all of the regulatory requirements before flying their small grenade carry-on drones.
    - red-iron-pine 3y ago
      I'm pretty sure the people of Hamas aren't flying drones in Cleveland. And the FCC is pretty damn ruthless about finding and triangulating signals that don't comply with their rules.
- runako 3y ago
  > there is a system in place to make sure you are found and punished Famously, this system works well after it would be useful.
alex_lav 3y ago
It’s hilarious and excruciating for many Americans too. Source: get me out of here
- psunavy03 3y ago
  Then leave.
  - alex_lav 3y ago
    Trying, friend! Appreciate the words of support!
black_13 3y ago
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talldatethrow 3y ago
Since guns are easily available, it's harder to kill someone.. since they might have a gun. In Europe, all you need to kill your enemy and his family is two guys and a baseball bat or a knife. In America, you atleast need a gun since odds are they have a gun at home.
yieldcrv 3y ago
yeah the random killings and random violence are quite low in comparison to domestic violence. while disgruntled people you may know are a bigger vulnerability surface but the social connection makes it easier for the assailant to get caught. so the potential assailants (everyone) has an incentive to think of things more elaborate than picking up their semi automatic gun
psunavy03 3y ago
Tell me you know nothing about US gun laws without telling me you know nothing about US gun laws. Some states have stricter laws than Switzerland and Czechia.
- defrost 3y ago
  Not to mention the US having more than one state and open inter state borders ... which somewhat negates the "some states" line of argument.
  - psunavy03 3y ago
    And Europe has the Schengen area; I assume you're familiar?
    - defrost 3y ago
      Has Texas agreed to adopt the strictest gun control measures in the US sates? I assume you understand the question re: Schengen.
      - psunavy03 3y ago
        Schengen allows for border crossings with no checkpoints just like US states. Which means the "different states have different laws" canard is no different than Europe. What's to stop someone from leaving Switzerland or Czechia with a firearm until they get caught?
        defrost 3y ago
        Schengen doesn't have a Texas - Switzerland raised the bar on semi automatics to match Schengen law - it's a more uniform zone than the USofA is wrt gun law.

kajecounterhack 3y ago

> In a country where you can buy assault rifles with minimal background checks, people worry about addresses being available because someone might be able to look up the address to kill them with a drone and a home made bomb. Drones and IUDs may be less traceable than guns and offer even less risk to the user. Currently if you're going to use a gun, you basically have to be suicidal or care zero about the consequences. But that also brings up a good point -- people worry about addresses being available because someone might be able to use a gun and kill them as well. Or hell, just their fists. Doxxing is dangerous, is this not the case in Europe as well?

fullspectrumdev 3y ago
Doxing remains dangerous in Europe, the posters just trying to score cheap points.
- mikrotikker 3y ago
  Remember that time a bunch of Scandinavian bikers got hold of some Carl Gustovs and used them to explode a rivals building among other things?
edot 3y ago
> Drones and IUDs may be less traceable than guns and offer even less risk to the user. Gotta watch out for those intra-uterine devices - they can take out a city block. ;)
- kajecounterhack 3y ago
  Oops! Thanks. s/IUD/IED/r
janalsncm 3y ago
Depends. If you’re really looking to avoid detection then 3d printing a gun is a lot easier than a drone.

oaththrowaway 3y ago

Curious what you define as "minimal background checks" and "assault rifles" as

digdugdirk 3y ago
They already said they're European. The terms you mentioned are very Americanized/America-centric phrases. The rest of the world doesn't really have the same concern or context, because the rest of the world doesn't have the same issues or political/media environment.
- oaththrowaway 3y ago
  I was quoting their terms
YetAnotherNick 3y ago
Not American, and curious about the checks required for different weapons. I get lot of contradictory information online. Also read in many places buying illegally is easy. How true is that?
- oaththrowaway 3y ago
  To purchase a firearm from a store or any "licensed" individual (someone who has an FFL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Firearms_License https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Firearms_License) you must pass a background check done by the FBI. You can read more here: https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/more-fbi-services-and-information/nics https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/more-fbi-services-an... If you buy a gun from someone on a classifieds site or friend/family, in most states you don't have to get a background check to transfer ownership of the firearm. This is typically the "loophole" that people refer to when they want Universal Background Checks. I'm not sure what you mean by buying illegally - whether you mean to someone prohibited from owning firearms (like a felon or something), or buying "illegal" guns... Either way there are usually stiff penalties for owning restricted devices. For example if I were to 3D print an auto-sear for an AR-15 (making it full-auto), that's a ticket to a 10 year sentence in federal prison. Assuming I don't have the permission slip from the ATF. As for prohibited persons buying a firearm, I'm not sure what the penalties are, but at the least it'd be a violation of their release?

marfil 3y ago

As a European who has been living in the US for a decade, yeah, you're pretty spot on. Americans are a scared people, probably the most scared I've ever seen. Afraid of the gov't, the neighbors, and random people they don't even know. I've gotten a ton of hate as a foreigner and I am not surprised a hateful, greedy and selfish population like here is afraid somebody will take them out with an improvised device.

justrealist 3y ago
And yet, you live here. Annals of revealed preferences.
- marfil 3y ago
  Oh no, don't get me wrong, I've been dying to leave, nothing I would like more. But I am sure you've heard of the term economic slavery, and that's what I have become. Don't make enough to make the ends meet, and don't make enough to leave. Have to pay the debts before I can give up the passport.
  - thieving_magpie 3y ago
    I'm sure we could pull some money together to get you out of economic slavery. Don't want that on our conscience
  - slingnow 3y ago
    You poor soul. Moved to such a terrible nation full of those awful people you described and now you seem to be completely powerless to leave. And I'm 100% sure this is everyone elses fault. At what point do you look inward for someone to blame for your circumstances?
    - marfil 3y ago
      I was forced to move here when my parent got married. Never wanted to come here, didn't have a choice, tried to like it and I don't think that's humanly possible. Don't be a dick.

fullspectrumdev 3y ago

As an European living in Europe I worry about addresses being available because someone suitably unhinged and upset can come to my house and stab me, set it on fire, etc.

jjkeddo199 3y ago

As other commenters have mentioned, US American's ease of access to firearms does not extend to their usage. If you buy a weapon and wrongly shoot someone, there is a system in place to make sure you are found and punished. There is no such system in place for catching people flying drones.

TheCleric 3y ago
Sure there is (if you use that drone as a weapon). It would be the same investigation as someone putting a bomb at your front door. They’d analyze the components and narrow down the people with the motive and figure out which one bought them.
Zagitta 3y ago
Have you not heard of remote-id? It's a legal requirement for drones above 250g to broadcast not only their position but also the position of the operator and their identification number.
- jjkeddo199 3y ago
  There are custom firmwares out to bypass these types of things, unfortunately.
- csomar 3y ago
  Yeah, I am pretty sure the people of Hamas are following the guidelines and have satisfied all of the regulatory requirements before flying their small grenade carry-on drones.
  - red-iron-pine 3y ago
    I'm pretty sure the people of Hamas aren't flying drones in Cleveland. And the FCC is pretty damn ruthless about finding and triangulating signals that don't comply with their rules.
runako 3y ago
> there is a system in place to make sure you are found and punished Famously, this system works well after it would be useful.

alex_lav 3y ago

It’s hilarious and excruciating for many Americans too. Source: get me out of here

psunavy03 3y ago
Then leave.
- alex_lav 3y ago
  Trying, friend! Appreciate the words of support!

black_13 3y ago

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talldatethrow 3y ago

Since guns are easily available, it's harder to kill someone.. since they might have a gun. In Europe, all you need to kill your enemy and his family is two guys and a baseball bat or a knife. In America, you atleast need a gun since odds are they have a gun at home.

yieldcrv 3y ago

yeah the random killings and random violence are quite low in comparison to domestic violence. while disgruntled people you may know are a bigger vulnerability surface but the social connection makes it easier for the assailant to get caught. so the potential assailants (everyone) has an incentive to think of things more elaborate than picking up their semi automatic gun

psunavy03 3y ago

Tell me you know nothing about US gun laws without telling me you know nothing about US gun laws. Some states have stricter laws than Switzerland and Czechia.

defrost 3y ago
Not to mention the US having more than one state and open inter state borders ... which somewhat negates the "some states" line of argument.
- psunavy03 3y ago
  And Europe has the Schengen area; I assume you're familiar?
  - defrost 3y ago
    Has Texas agreed to adopt the strictest gun control measures in the US sates? I assume you understand the question re: Schengen.
    - psunavy03 3y ago
      Schengen allows for border crossings with no checkpoints just like US states. Which means the "different states have different laws" canard is no different than Europe. What's to stop someone from leaving Switzerland or Czechia with a firearm until they get caught?
      - defrost 3y ago
        Schengen doesn't have a Texas - Switzerland raised the bar on semi automatics to match Schengen law - it's a more uniform zone than the USofA is wrt gun law.