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So was the Cruise vehicle being remotely operated when it dragged the pedestrian 20 feet? (That's the impression I've had since this was initially reported) T

So was the Cruise vehicle being remotely operated when it dragged the pedestrian 20 feet? (That's the impression I've had since this was initially reported) The whole act of remotely operating automobiles on public streets strikes me as extremely dangerous, unaccountable, and that it'd be obviously prohibited by law. AV advocates can at least argue the sensor suite provides far more data than a human driver has at their disposal. But a human driver on the other side of a wireless link working with a modicum of visual camera feedback and perhaps audio is unquestionably inferior to a licensed operator in the driver's seat. This is simply insanity unfolding on our city streets.

cma 3y ago
> The whole act of remotely operating automobiles on public streets strikes me as extremely dangerous, unaccountable, and that it'd be obviously prohibited by law. I Googled it and that doesn't seem to be the case; in fact it is mandated by law: > The "Driverless AV Passenger Service" pilot program allows for the provision of passenger service in test AVs without a driver in the vehicle. Under this pilot program, a communication link between passengers and "remote operators" of the vehicle must be available and maintained at all times during passenger service. https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/regulatory-services/licensing/transportation-licensing-and-analysis-branch/autonomous-vehicle-programs https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/regulatory-services/licensing/transp...
- pengaru 3y ago
  Which seems likely to me to be a relatively new legal status carved out specifically for autonomous vehicles. In a pre-AV world, my impression has been that it's been absolutely illegal to remotely operate vehicles on public roads. Maybe I'm wrong though. My impression here has been influenced by admittedly bored and unnecessary neighborhood police harassing me in my youth for purportedly illegally operating RC cars on public streets, which didn't even weigh thousands of pounds. It might be interesting to understand how much lobbying/$$ was necessary to get the AV laws on the books as written today.
cyanydeez 3y ago
it's also humorous how often AI systems are some complicated form of mechanical turk.

cma 3y ago

> The whole act of remotely operating automobiles on public streets strikes me as extremely dangerous, unaccountable, and that it'd be obviously prohibited by law. I Googled it and that doesn't seem to be the case; in fact it is mandated by law: > The "Driverless AV Passenger Service" pilot program allows for the provision of passenger service in test AVs without a driver in the vehicle. Under this pilot program, a communication link between passengers and "remote operators" of the vehicle must be available and maintained at all times during passenger service. https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/regulatory-services/licensing/transportation-licensing-and-analysis-branch/autonomous-vehicle-programs https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/regulatory-services/licensing/transp...

pengaru 3y ago
Which seems likely to me to be a relatively new legal status carved out specifically for autonomous vehicles. In a pre-AV world, my impression has been that it's been absolutely illegal to remotely operate vehicles on public roads. Maybe I'm wrong though. My impression here has been influenced by admittedly bored and unnecessary neighborhood police harassing me in my youth for purportedly illegally operating RC cars on public streets, which didn't even weigh thousands of pounds. It might be interesting to understand how much lobbying/$$ was necessary to get the AV laws on the books as written today.

cyanydeez 3y ago

it's also humorous how often AI systems are some complicated form of mechanical turk.