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Do you happen to have the full text you're referring to? I cannot find that on Google and the one I'm reading says something else. I also couldn't find it on ef

Do you happen to have the full text you're referring to? I cannot find that on Google and the one I'm reading says something else. I also couldn't find it on eff's post

thedaly 3y ago
I can't seem to find it anywhere. This line leads me to think it isn't public, which is crazy: > The text isn't final yet, but is subject to approval behind closed doors in Brussels on November 8.
agwa 3y ago
Unfortunately, the text is being drafted in secret and the latest version has not been released publicly. I have seen a leaked copy but I don't have permission to post it. I can attest that the various posts and letters speaking against eIDAS are accurately representing the text. I know this isn't a satisfying answer, but blame the EU for drafting legislation in secret.
- immibis 3y ago
  Why are we arguing about something still in the drafting stage, then? If they're still working on it, they're still working on it. It's not even finished to the stage where the public or the parliament can review it. There's probably stuff in there they're still thinking through and will eventually delete. Laws don't go from secret drafting, straight to law. They get public comments, the parliament has to vote on them, the commission has to vote on them (I think - something like that), they go back to drafting to make an amended version that's more acceptable, etc etc... of course the unfinished draft version isn't acceptable. This isn't the first time everyone's got upset about an unfinished EU law. All previous times, it was shot down by the EU Parliament, who are supposed to represent the citizens.
  - sleevi 3y ago
    Because this is not the “start of drafting” but roughly “final text that is largely a rubber stamp approval.” This is the output of having been through the the trilogue process - where the Parliament would/has shut things down before - and not been shut down. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_trilogue_meeting https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_trilogue_meeting

Do you happen to have the full text you're referring to? I cannot find that on Google and the one I'm reading says something else. I also couldn't find it on eff's post

thedaly 3y ago

I can't seem to find it anywhere. This line leads me to think it isn't public, which is crazy: > The text isn't final yet, but is subject to approval behind closed doors in Brussels on November 8.

agwa 3y ago

Unfortunately, the text is being drafted in secret and the latest version has not been released publicly. I have seen a leaked copy but I don't have permission to post it. I can attest that the various posts and letters speaking against eIDAS are accurately representing the text. I know this isn't a satisfying answer, but blame the EU for drafting legislation in secret.

immibis 3y ago
Why are we arguing about something still in the drafting stage, then? If they're still working on it, they're still working on it. It's not even finished to the stage where the public or the parliament can review it. There's probably stuff in there they're still thinking through and will eventually delete. Laws don't go from secret drafting, straight to law. They get public comments, the parliament has to vote on them, the commission has to vote on them (I think - something like that), they go back to drafting to make an amended version that's more acceptable, etc etc... of course the unfinished draft version isn't acceptable. This isn't the first time everyone's got upset about an unfinished EU law. All previous times, it was shot down by the EU Parliament, who are supposed to represent the citizens.
- sleevi 3y ago
  Because this is not the “start of drafting” but roughly “final text that is largely a rubber stamp approval.” This is the output of having been through the the trilogue process - where the Parliament would/has shut things down before - and not been shut down. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_trilogue_meeting https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_trilogue_meeting