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How did you measure the number of yesod, snap and happstack users? "Objective measurement" means something. Keep in mind, "there's more traffic on mailing lis

How did you measure the number of yesod, snap and happstack users? "Objective measurement" means something. Keep in mind, "there's more traffic on mailing list X" doesn't mean there's more users of software X, it means there's more users asking questions about it. Given that yesod is much larger, it doesn't seem terribly unreasonable for there to be more questions about using it. I think you've been displaying the inflexibility I refer to right here. "Everyone loves hamlet because I said so, if you don't love it you don't exist because I said everyone loves it". I understand you like the tools and methods you use, but your reaction to other people preferring other things appears hostile and/or dismissive. Accepting that people can like a different template engine without being objectively wrong might lead to yesod users having a plurality of template engines to choose from.

cies 15y ago
at this point measuring users or user bases is impossible. i argue it is also useless. compared to Servlets+JSP/Rails/Django all of Haskell's web frameworks are smaller-then-tiny. but: functional programming is on the rise, haskell has become fast and robust, haskell's static typing is seen as an advantage... people want to use haskell for web programming; so haskell web frameworks are seeing growth. to me Yesod seems to have the edge currently: it is most actively developed and discussed. i used snap, and liked it, but having tried both i feel yesod makes more sense (maybe because i'm coming from rails).
fusiongyro 15y ago
I concur. The comments from Greg on this article are rife with exactly what you're describing. I have avoided Yesod so far because something about the way the Yesod developers conduct themselves rubs me the wrong way. Now I know what it is.
- fusiongyro 15y ago
  Michael Snoyman seems to have responded to the whole situation in this blog post: http://www.yesodweb.com/blog/2012/04/working-together I have to say he has increased my respect for him immensely with this.

cies 15y ago

at this point measuring users or user bases is impossible. i argue it is also useless. compared to Servlets+JSP/Rails/Django all of Haskell's web frameworks are smaller-then-tiny. but: functional programming is on the rise, haskell has become fast and robust, haskell's static typing is seen as an advantage... people want to use haskell for web programming; so haskell web frameworks are seeing growth. to me Yesod seems to have the edge currently: it is most actively developed and discussed. i used snap, and liked it, but having tried both i feel yesod makes more sense (maybe because i'm coming from rails).

fusiongyro 15y ago

I concur. The comments from Greg on this article are rife with exactly what you're describing. I have avoided Yesod so far because something about the way the Yesod developers conduct themselves rubs me the wrong way. Now I know what it is.

fusiongyro 15y ago
Michael Snoyman seems to have responded to the whole situation in this blog post: http://www.yesodweb.com/blog/2012/04/working-together I have to say he has increased my respect for him immensely with this.