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are explosives as easy to get as bullets & guns where you live?

by fusslo 3y ago

permo-w 3y ago
explosives are a 10 minute youtube video away
wutwutwat 3y ago
Wait until someone puts a gun on a drone and shoots up a concert from states away, or another country...
- micromacrofoot 3y ago
  we're not talking about UAVs here though, someone needs to configure the drone very locally
  - wutwutwat 3y ago
    You realize they are using drones that you or I can buy on amazon, to blow up tanks and people in an ongoing war? > The logic was simple, Pharmacist says: Exploding drones cost roughly $400 to make, while a conventional projectile can cost nearly 10 times as much. Even if it requires multiple drones to take out a tank — and sometimes it does — it is still worth it. > But first they had to modify commercial drones with hardware and software to suit the battlefield, enabling them to penetrate deeper behind enemy lines without being detected or jammed. A breakthrough came through the clever use of several drones in unison. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/how-ukraine-soldiers-use-inexpensive-commercial-drones-on-the-battlefield https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/how-ukraine-soldiers-use-... Cell phone w/ 5G and a time investment from a software engineer could make the range limitless. The point is, it's entirely possible to remotely drone strike using shit from amazon if one were so inclined.
    - micromacrofoot 3y ago
      > could make the range limitless do you have an infinite battery technology? no one's crossing international borders with diy assassin drones unless it's like a mile across the canadian or mexican border — much easier to just shoot someone
      - wutwutwat 3y ago
        I meant wireless range to control it, not fuel/battery range. You're assuming they intend to fly the drone across an ocean or something to hit a target. We don't fly predator drones across the ocean either, they are transported somewhere via other means, and then deployed to the area needed in a way they have the range to actually hit their target. Leaving something on a building rooftop and flying back home to later operate it is not an impossible idea. Use your imagination, there are many ways. Fedex is a thing too.
        micromacrofoot 3y ago
        yes, but there's always some trail this way... travel logs, mailing logs, someone there to set it up, etc again, just easier to shoot someone... we don't need to make up imaginary drone violence, there's not much reason for it outside of a warzone
        wutwutwat 3y ago
        > yes, but there's always some trail this way... travel logs, mailing logs, someone there to set it up, etc All meaningless if you don't fly and use only cash, and a fake ID > again, just easier to shoot someone... we don't need to make up imaginary drone violence, there's not much reason for it outside of a warzone I didn't think it was easier than shooting someone. All of this stems from me saying it's only a matter of time until a psycho mounts a gun onto a drone and flies it over a crowd. We have a mass shooting once a week. Tech is easier and more accessible and only continues to be easier and more available. If soldiers are taking off the shelf drones and using them to easily kill people on the cheap, it's only a matter of time until instead of a box of ammo and trench coat, someone throws on a dji vr headset and flies a drone with either a gun on it or a bomb. It's not imaginary > Just a few months ago, a head of state was attacked with off-the-shelf consumer drones — an apparent first. It happened in broad daylight on August 4 in Venezuela. According to police, the drones exploded and missed their target https://www.defenseone.com/feature/against-the-drones/ https://www.defenseone.com/feature/against-the-drones/ > Armed men allegedly identified as members of the Jalisco New Generation Cartel (CJNG) attacked the community of Pinolapa, in the municipality of Tepalcatepec, in the state of Michoacán, with drones loaded with explosives. > residents of the area indicated that the drones were loaded with C4 explosives and fragmentation grenades https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/mexican-cartel-tactical-note-50-additional-weaponized-consumer-drone-incidents-michoacan https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/mexican-cartel-tactica... https://www.politico.eu/article/future-warfare-400-army-strike-drone-unit-2m-tank/ https://www.politico.eu/article/future-warfare-400-army-stri... It's illogical to think it won't happen at some point
wutwutwat 3y ago
You can buy Tannerite without an explosive license from the ATF. It's been used in past bombings. Plus, unless they outlaw anything from crude oil, alchohol and the plants used to produce it, gun powder, fireworks, and most chemicals under your kitchen sink, there are thousands of combinations that produce a material that can be used to make explosives. Access or lack of isn't the limiting factor, people's willingness to do it is and always will be the case. Air can make an explosive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannerite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannerite
I_Am_Nous 3y ago
I'd sure be upset about a remote Molotov cocktail payload busting through my window and burning my house down. Things don't have to be explosive to be dangerous.

are explosives as easy to get as bullets & guns where you live?

by fusslo 3y ago

are explosives as easy to get as bullets & guns where you live?

permo-w 3y ago

explosives are a 10 minute youtube video away

wutwutwat 3y ago

Wait until someone puts a gun on a drone and shoots up a concert from states away, or another country...

micromacrofoot 3y ago
we're not talking about UAVs here though, someone needs to configure the drone very locally
- wutwutwat 3y ago
  You realize they are using drones that you or I can buy on amazon, to blow up tanks and people in an ongoing war? > The logic was simple, Pharmacist says: Exploding drones cost roughly $400 to make, while a conventional projectile can cost nearly 10 times as much. Even if it requires multiple drones to take out a tank — and sometimes it does — it is still worth it. > But first they had to modify commercial drones with hardware and software to suit the battlefield, enabling them to penetrate deeper behind enemy lines without being detected or jammed. A breakthrough came through the clever use of several drones in unison. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/how-ukraine-soldiers-use-inexpensive-commercial-drones-on-the-battlefield https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/how-ukraine-soldiers-use-... Cell phone w/ 5G and a time investment from a software engineer could make the range limitless. The point is, it's entirely possible to remotely drone strike using shit from amazon if one were so inclined.
  - micromacrofoot 3y ago
    > could make the range limitless do you have an infinite battery technology? no one's crossing international borders with diy assassin drones unless it's like a mile across the canadian or mexican border — much easier to just shoot someone
    - wutwutwat 3y ago
      I meant wireless range to control it, not fuel/battery range. You're assuming they intend to fly the drone across an ocean or something to hit a target. We don't fly predator drones across the ocean either, they are transported somewhere via other means, and then deployed to the area needed in a way they have the range to actually hit their target. Leaving something on a building rooftop and flying back home to later operate it is not an impossible idea. Use your imagination, there are many ways. Fedex is a thing too.
      - micromacrofoot 3y ago
        yes, but there's always some trail this way... travel logs, mailing logs, someone there to set it up, etc again, just easier to shoot someone... we don't need to make up imaginary drone violence, there's not much reason for it outside of a warzone
        wutwutwat 3y ago
        > yes, but there's always some trail this way... travel logs, mailing logs, someone there to set it up, etc All meaningless if you don't fly and use only cash, and a fake ID > again, just easier to shoot someone... we don't need to make up imaginary drone violence, there's not much reason for it outside of a warzone I didn't think it was easier than shooting someone. All of this stems from me saying it's only a matter of time until a psycho mounts a gun onto a drone and flies it over a crowd. We have a mass shooting once a week. Tech is easier and more accessible and only continues to be easier and more available. If soldiers are taking off the shelf drones and using them to easily kill people on the cheap, it's only a matter of time until instead of a box of ammo and trench coat, someone throws on a dji vr headset and flies a drone with either a gun on it or a bomb. It's not imaginary > Just a few months ago, a head of state was attacked with off-the-shelf consumer drones — an apparent first. It happened in broad daylight on August 4 in Venezuela. According to police, the drones exploded and missed their target https://www.defenseone.com/feature/against-the-drones/ https://www.defenseone.com/feature/against-the-drones/ > Armed men allegedly identified as members of the Jalisco New Generation Cartel (CJNG) attacked the community of Pinolapa, in the municipality of Tepalcatepec, in the state of Michoacán, with drones loaded with explosives. > residents of the area indicated that the drones were loaded with C4 explosives and fragmentation grenades https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/mexican-cartel-tactical-note-50-additional-weaponized-consumer-drone-incidents-michoacan https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/mexican-cartel-tactica... https://www.politico.eu/article/future-warfare-400-army-strike-drone-unit-2m-tank/ https://www.politico.eu/article/future-warfare-400-army-stri... It's illogical to think it won't happen at some point

wutwutwat 3y ago

You can buy Tannerite without an explosive license from the ATF. It's been used in past bombings. Plus, unless they outlaw anything from crude oil, alchohol and the plants used to produce it, gun powder, fireworks, and most chemicals under your kitchen sink, there are thousands of combinations that produce a material that can be used to make explosives. Access or lack of isn't the limiting factor, people's willingness to do it is and always will be the case. Air can make an explosive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannerite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannerite

I_Am_Nous 3y ago

I'd sure be upset about a remote Molotov cocktail payload busting through my window and burning my house down. Things don't have to be explosive to be dangerous.