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> CNBC also asked Cruise for information about typical response time for remote operations, and how remote assistance workers at Cruise are trained. > “More th

> CNBC also asked Cruise for information about typical response time for remote operations, and how remote assistance workers at Cruise are trained. > “More than 98% of sessions are answered within 3 seconds,” the spokesperson said. > During that incident, Cruise previously told NBC, its vehicle “braked aggressively before impact and because it detected a collision” but then tried to pull over and in the process pulled the pedestrian forward about 20 feet. > The CEO wrote, “Cruise AVs are being remotely assisted (RA) 2-4% of the time on average, in complex urban environments. This is low enough already that there isn’t a huge cost benefit to optimizing much further, especially given how useful it is to have humans review things in certain situations.” Awesome, cool, this sounds really optimal.

pengaru 3y ago
So was the Cruise vehicle being remotely operated when it dragged the pedestrian 20 feet? (That's the impression I've had since this was initially reported) The whole act of remotely operating automobiles on public streets strikes me as extremely dangerous, unaccountable, and that it'd be obviously prohibited by law. AV advocates can at least argue the sensor suite provides far more data than a human driver has at their disposal. But a human driver on the other side of a wireless link working with a modicum of visual camera feedback and perhaps audio is unquestionably inferior to a licensed operator in the driver's seat. This is simply insanity unfolding on our city streets.
- cma 3y ago
  > The whole act of remotely operating automobiles on public streets strikes me as extremely dangerous, unaccountable, and that it'd be obviously prohibited by law. I Googled it and that doesn't seem to be the case; in fact it is mandated by law: > The "Driverless AV Passenger Service" pilot program allows for the provision of passenger service in test AVs without a driver in the vehicle. Under this pilot program, a communication link between passengers and "remote operators" of the vehicle must be available and maintained at all times during passenger service. https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/regulatory-services/licensing/transportation-licensing-and-analysis-branch/autonomous-vehicle-programs https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/regulatory-services/licensing/transp...
  - pengaru 3y ago
    Which seems likely to me to be a relatively new legal status carved out specifically for autonomous vehicles. In a pre-AV world, my impression has been that it's been absolutely illegal to remotely operate vehicles on public roads. Maybe I'm wrong though. My impression here has been influenced by admittedly bored and unnecessary neighborhood police harassing me in my youth for purportedly illegally operating RC cars on public streets, which didn't even weigh thousands of pounds. It might be interesting to understand how much lobbying/$$ was necessary to get the AV laws on the books as written today.
- cyanydeez 3y ago
  it's also humorous how often AI systems are some complicated form of mechanical turk.
cma 3y ago
If they have that many interventions, you have to imagine there are situations of needed split second interventions that aren't able to happen. Since they rely on HD mapping, a lot of them are probably when the environment is altered by construction etc. and if that was an overwhelming majority and can be detected far in advance of an operator being assigned I think it would more ok, maybe that's the case? I'm not sure that could add up to such a large percentage unless they handle it as an exception over and over again across the fleet when there is construction.
- dilyevsky 3y ago
  You drive in sf a lot? There’s double parked cars every two blocks, trash everywhere on the street, random crazies in the middle of streets, etc. Not hard to imagine something unexpected happening every few miles. Mind you 5 miles is almost entire length of the city
cpeterso 3y ago
What does the vehicle do when it needs remote assistance and there is no cell connection?
- oldgradstudent 3y ago
  Gets stuck in the middle of the lane. Often multiple cars at once.

pengaru 3y ago

So was the Cruise vehicle being remotely operated when it dragged the pedestrian 20 feet? (That's the impression I've had since this was initially reported) The whole act of remotely operating automobiles on public streets strikes me as extremely dangerous, unaccountable, and that it'd be obviously prohibited by law. AV advocates can at least argue the sensor suite provides far more data than a human driver has at their disposal. But a human driver on the other side of a wireless link working with a modicum of visual camera feedback and perhaps audio is unquestionably inferior to a licensed operator in the driver's seat. This is simply insanity unfolding on our city streets.

cma 3y ago
> The whole act of remotely operating automobiles on public streets strikes me as extremely dangerous, unaccountable, and that it'd be obviously prohibited by law. I Googled it and that doesn't seem to be the case; in fact it is mandated by law: > The "Driverless AV Passenger Service" pilot program allows for the provision of passenger service in test AVs without a driver in the vehicle. Under this pilot program, a communication link between passengers and "remote operators" of the vehicle must be available and maintained at all times during passenger service. https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/regulatory-services/licensing/transportation-licensing-and-analysis-branch/autonomous-vehicle-programs https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/regulatory-services/licensing/transp...
- pengaru 3y ago
  Which seems likely to me to be a relatively new legal status carved out specifically for autonomous vehicles. In a pre-AV world, my impression has been that it's been absolutely illegal to remotely operate vehicles on public roads. Maybe I'm wrong though. My impression here has been influenced by admittedly bored and unnecessary neighborhood police harassing me in my youth for purportedly illegally operating RC cars on public streets, which didn't even weigh thousands of pounds. It might be interesting to understand how much lobbying/$$ was necessary to get the AV laws on the books as written today.
cyanydeez 3y ago
it's also humorous how often AI systems are some complicated form of mechanical turk.

cma 3y ago

If they have that many interventions, you have to imagine there are situations of needed split second interventions that aren't able to happen. Since they rely on HD mapping, a lot of them are probably when the environment is altered by construction etc. and if that was an overwhelming majority and can be detected far in advance of an operator being assigned I think it would more ok, maybe that's the case? I'm not sure that could add up to such a large percentage unless they handle it as an exception over and over again across the fleet when there is construction.

dilyevsky 3y ago
You drive in sf a lot? There’s double parked cars every two blocks, trash everywhere on the street, random crazies in the middle of streets, etc. Not hard to imagine something unexpected happening every few miles. Mind you 5 miles is almost entire length of the city

cpeterso 3y ago

What does the vehicle do when it needs remote assistance and there is no cell connection?

oldgradstudent 3y ago
Gets stuck in the middle of the lane. Often multiple cars at once.