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Quite a stretch to say similar. Neon does not support sharding, Boost, or scale to anywhere near PlanetScale as reliably.

nikita 3y ago
Neon will stay true to Postgres. Our storage is sharded and bottomless. You can get a ton of TPS scale with large Postgres compute plus read replicas. Shared nothing architectures are useless for 99% of the market and break compatibility with the single node databases.
- sgammon 3y ago
  As a user of PlanetScale I don’t know what distinction you are making here and why. I’ve never had compatibility issues with single-node databases. It “just works” in the cloud and locally thanks to MySQL support in vitess.
- samlambert 3y ago
  > Our storage is sharded and bottomless. Anyone can claim this and LVM together 20 64TiB EBS volumes and put them on one big node. That's not sharding or bottomless. Sharding and a shared nothing have incredible benefits to anyone who has a requirement for uptime, scalability, and cost reduction. We’ve avoided supporting parts of MySQL that make scaling worse and are working to add them back in ways that work, like FKs. In return for not supporting all MySQL features we hand back an immense amount in return. This is something our customers have been happy with.
  - nikita 3y ago
    Neon doesn't use EBS volumes. That's why it has an inherent cost advantage over Planetscale.
- sgammon 3y ago
  Not to mention the 99.8% uptime at Neon, which is shocking. Look, if you are going to bring percentages, make sure they are the right ones. https://www.planetscalestatus.com/ https://www.planetscalestatus.com/ https://neonstatus.com/ https://neonstatus.com/
  - tristan957 3y ago
    FWIW, our uptime is definitely something we are prioritizing.
  - sgammon 3y ago
    Of course... this is a Vitess/Planetscale post or I probably wouldn't have even brought it up. All of these products are constantly undergoing change. They embody the best intentions and dreams of very smart people, such as yourself. I believe Neon will be one of the providers that sticks around to do this. Comparison is the thief of joy.
  - nikita 3y ago
    Our uptime will improve. We have been keeping up with the growth (2500 databases are created per day). And I insisted to be fully transparent on uptime. There is a ton of work internally that will improve the uptime as we get to GA.
    - Dhruva23 3y ago
      Very petrifying that Vercel say Neon is GA and the founder of Neon disagrees. https://vercel.com/changelog/vercel-postgres-is-now-available-for-pro-users https://vercel.com/changelog/vercel-postgres-is-now-availabl...

nikita 3y ago

Neon will stay true to Postgres. Our storage is sharded and bottomless. You can get a ton of TPS scale with large Postgres compute plus read replicas. Shared nothing architectures are useless for 99% of the market and break compatibility with the single node databases.

sgammon 3y ago
As a user of PlanetScale I don’t know what distinction you are making here and why. I’ve never had compatibility issues with single-node databases. It “just works” in the cloud and locally thanks to MySQL support in vitess.
samlambert 3y ago
> Our storage is sharded and bottomless. Anyone can claim this and LVM together 20 64TiB EBS volumes and put them on one big node. That's not sharding or bottomless. Sharding and a shared nothing have incredible benefits to anyone who has a requirement for uptime, scalability, and cost reduction. We’ve avoided supporting parts of MySQL that make scaling worse and are working to add them back in ways that work, like FKs. In return for not supporting all MySQL features we hand back an immense amount in return. This is something our customers have been happy with.
- nikita 3y ago
  Neon doesn't use EBS volumes. That's why it has an inherent cost advantage over Planetscale.
sgammon 3y ago
Not to mention the 99.8% uptime at Neon, which is shocking. Look, if you are going to bring percentages, make sure they are the right ones. https://www.planetscalestatus.com/ https://www.planetscalestatus.com/ https://neonstatus.com/ https://neonstatus.com/
- tristan957 3y ago
  FWIW, our uptime is definitely something we are prioritizing.
- sgammon 3y ago
  Of course... this is a Vitess/Planetscale post or I probably wouldn't have even brought it up. All of these products are constantly undergoing change. They embody the best intentions and dreams of very smart people, such as yourself. I believe Neon will be one of the providers that sticks around to do this. Comparison is the thief of joy.
- nikita 3y ago
  Our uptime will improve. We have been keeping up with the growth (2500 databases are created per day). And I insisted to be fully transparent on uptime. There is a ton of work internally that will improve the uptime as we get to GA.
  - Dhruva23 3y ago
    Very petrifying that Vercel say Neon is GA and the founder of Neon disagrees. https://vercel.com/changelog/vercel-postgres-is-now-available-for-pro-users https://vercel.com/changelog/vercel-postgres-is-now-availabl...