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Its all funny when its stuff like this, but we are definitely only a few years away from corporations using this for nefarious purposes. Someone looking to org

Its all funny when its stuff like this, but we are definitely only a few years away from corporations using this for nefarious purposes. Someone looking to organize a trade union in her workplace? Anonymously load AI videos of that person jerking off in public or some other thing that would shatter their reputation, or worse have them confessing to crimes. Its honestly worrying.

rattlesnakedave 3y ago
We already have state level actors laundering false information through global news outlets. What you describe is really only a continuation of that. Better processes for vetting information (be it through classical "is this source trustworthy" markers or pgp keys on the high agency end) is the only way out.
- rnk 3y ago
  Just look at news.google.com, at the end there's always a list of recent possible fake videos and photos that were investigated. There's usually a mix of results T/F.
- ben_w 3y ago
  State level actors could always do that, not only before widespread literacy ramped up between 1 and 2 centuries ago, not only before the printing press several centuries before that, but for basically all of recorded history — the etymology for "barbarian" goes back at least to Ancient Greek βάρβαρος ("foreign, non-Greek, strange"), which might be onomatopoeic mimicry of languages-foreign-to-the-Greeks, like going "blah blah" in English. And they (specifically the Athenians) rather famously had Socrates put to death for saying the wrong things. I think both show different aspects of what real (rather than the mere thought terminating cliché of the same name) "political correctness" looked like at the time. Cryptographically signing the news might be necessary, but it sure won't be sufficient, as your local government can pretty directly tell people who the trustworthy news sources are/which signatures they should trust. You need more than just the technology to solve problems like this.
spacebacon 3y ago
We're all going to have to wise up real fast in a short period of time. This is not something in the future. It's already happened. If anyone understands walking two roads it is the buddhist. They will come around.
nurgasemetey 3y ago
I think it could backfire in the long term because people will stop believing any videos at all because they will assume that eveything is AI-generated.
jstarfish 3y ago
> Anonymously load AI videos of that person jerking off in public or some other thing that would shatter their reputation, or worse have them confessing to crimes. The former is more effective. The latter won't get very far if you deny it and stick to your story. Most modern psyops avoid the legal system since there are actual consequences for lying. Before social media, public trials were the only way to get enough national attention to defame someone, which required putting some skin in the game. Now you can just tell your "truth" on social media and the accusation is as good as a conviction. Faith-based systems are easily exploited.

rattlesnakedave 3y ago

We already have state level actors laundering false information through global news outlets. What you describe is really only a continuation of that. Better processes for vetting information (be it through classical "is this source trustworthy" markers or pgp keys on the high agency end) is the only way out.

rnk 3y ago
Just look at news.google.com, at the end there's always a list of recent possible fake videos and photos that were investigated. There's usually a mix of results T/F.
ben_w 3y ago
State level actors could always do that, not only before widespread literacy ramped up between 1 and 2 centuries ago, not only before the printing press several centuries before that, but for basically all of recorded history — the etymology for "barbarian" goes back at least to Ancient Greek βάρβαρος ("foreign, non-Greek, strange"), which might be onomatopoeic mimicry of languages-foreign-to-the-Greeks, like going "blah blah" in English. And they (specifically the Athenians) rather famously had Socrates put to death for saying the wrong things. I think both show different aspects of what real (rather than the mere thought terminating cliché of the same name) "political correctness" looked like at the time. Cryptographically signing the news might be necessary, but it sure won't be sufficient, as your local government can pretty directly tell people who the trustworthy news sources are/which signatures they should trust. You need more than just the technology to solve problems like this.

spacebacon 3y ago

We're all going to have to wise up real fast in a short period of time. This is not something in the future. It's already happened. If anyone understands walking two roads it is the buddhist. They will come around.

nurgasemetey 3y ago

I think it could backfire in the long term because people will stop believing any videos at all because they will assume that eveything is AI-generated.

jstarfish 3y ago

> Anonymously load AI videos of that person jerking off in public or some other thing that would shatter their reputation, or worse have them confessing to crimes. The former is more effective. The latter won't get very far if you deny it and stick to your story. Most modern psyops avoid the legal system since there are actual consequences for lying. Before social media, public trials were the only way to get enough national attention to defame someone, which required putting some skin in the game. Now you can just tell your "truth" on social media and the accusation is as good as a conviction. Faith-based systems are easily exploited.