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They never stop trying, don't they?

jauntywundrkind 3y ago
Alas, there's just so many people with so many reasons for wanting to grab & coerce the noosphere's thoughpaths to route through their specific power grabs. The move would spring up spontaneously in so many ways. Thanks again EFF for so vigilantly watching against encroachment.
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HPsquared 3y ago
A "no" is temporary; a "yes" is permanent. Is there any way to enact a permanent "no"?
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- LightHugger 3y ago
  in the US, constitutional amendments. Not sure about the equivalent in the EU
  - contravariant 3y ago
    Bit trickier in the EU. The countries themselves have constitutions that can be amended, with varying ways in which they can be enforced. In theory this should give sufficient protection, but it becomes a bit complicated if the EU enacts regulations that contradict national laws or even the constitution. The EU derives its power not from a constitution but from its founding treaties. As best I can tell the EU claims these treaties have precedence, but honestly it's a bit unclear how it could overrule the constitutions that gave the signatories the power to ratify the treaties. I do know that the EU wasn't happy when Poland ruled some parts of these treaties unconstitutional (which is really part of a much bigger political fight, but is illustrative).
    - toyg 3y ago
      Most postwar constitutions explicitly allow for transfer of sovereignty to structures necessary to maintain peace among nations. They were originally meant for UN-like organisms and apply equally to the EU.
      - tonyarkles 3y ago
        Canada’s “constitution” explicitly creates a back door right in section 1. I’ve heard Canadian legal scholars comment that the only part of the Charter that would likely completely stand up against a section 1 challenge is section 12: “the right not to be subjected to any cruel and unusual treatment or punishment”
- mminer237 3y ago
  No, any law can be changed. The closest you can come is to make a Constitution hard to change and embed a right to free speech, including encrypted speech, therein. Anything beyond that has to be a cultural conservation.
  - Saline9515 3y ago
    EU laws can't be changed unfortunately. The unelected European Commission is the only one that has the right of initiative.
tomjen3 3y ago
Not when they don't suffer for trying. An unfortunately there is no good way, no technology board of overseers, who takes away their (smart)phone priviledges when they don't behave.
- zlg_codes 3y ago
  Fingerprinting technology could be used to isolate state officials and deny them access based on that 'profile'.

Alas, there's just so many people with so many reasons for wanting to grab & coerce the noosphere's thoughpaths to route through their specific power grabs. The move would spring up spontaneously in so many ways. Thanks again EFF for so vigilantly watching against encroachment.

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HPsquared 3y ago

A "no" is temporary; a "yes" is permanent. Is there any way to enact a permanent "no"?

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LightHugger 3y ago
in the US, constitutional amendments. Not sure about the equivalent in the EU
- contravariant 3y ago
  Bit trickier in the EU. The countries themselves have constitutions that can be amended, with varying ways in which they can be enforced. In theory this should give sufficient protection, but it becomes a bit complicated if the EU enacts regulations that contradict national laws or even the constitution. The EU derives its power not from a constitution but from its founding treaties. As best I can tell the EU claims these treaties have precedence, but honestly it's a bit unclear how it could overrule the constitutions that gave the signatories the power to ratify the treaties. I do know that the EU wasn't happy when Poland ruled some parts of these treaties unconstitutional (which is really part of a much bigger political fight, but is illustrative).
  - toyg 3y ago
    Most postwar constitutions explicitly allow for transfer of sovereignty to structures necessary to maintain peace among nations. They were originally meant for UN-like organisms and apply equally to the EU.
    - tonyarkles 3y ago
      Canada’s “constitution” explicitly creates a back door right in section 1. I’ve heard Canadian legal scholars comment that the only part of the Charter that would likely completely stand up against a section 1 challenge is section 12: “the right not to be subjected to any cruel and unusual treatment or punishment”
mminer237 3y ago
No, any law can be changed. The closest you can come is to make a Constitution hard to change and embed a right to free speech, including encrypted speech, therein. Anything beyond that has to be a cultural conservation.
- Saline9515 3y ago
  EU laws can't be changed unfortunately. The unelected European Commission is the only one that has the right of initiative.

tomjen3 3y ago

Not when they don't suffer for trying. An unfortunately there is no good way, no technology board of overseers, who takes away their (smart)phone priviledges when they don't behave.

zlg_codes 3y ago
Fingerprinting technology could be used to isolate state officials and deny them access based on that 'profile'.