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> the files are in the New York Times office What a sham. The NYT has openly said many times that it allows the US Government to determine what is "fit to prin

> the files are in the New York Times office What a sham. The NYT has openly said many times that it allows the US Government to determine what is "fit to print". How did it come to this? I strongly believe there was some level of collusion between Greenwald & the USG. How else did he get to have a successful media career in the West, while fellow publisher/journalist Assange rots in prison? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/02/opinion/government-censorship.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/02/opinion/government-censor...

toyg 3y ago
Greenwald moved to Brazil, and his partner was subjected to extraordinary detention while travelling. Greenwald was just smarter than Assange at avoiding traps.
- pphysch 3y ago
  I'm not saying Greenwald was an agent of the USG or always planning to collude, but I think he saw the opportunity and took it, especially after his partner was detained and he saw how serious it was.
duxup 3y ago
>How did it come to this? Because leaks can have consequences and it's not clear to the NYT exactly what those might be? It's a tough situation because the government may not be a trusted partner, but I understand asking / trying to avoid collateral damage.
- aleph_minus_one 3y ago
  > Because leaks can have consequences and it's not clear to the NYT exactly what those might be? With this, the NYT has decided that they want to be a government propaganda organ instead of a journalistic organ.
  - user_7832 3y ago
    > With this, the NYT has decided that they want to be a government propaganda organ instead of a journalistic organ. It isn't "with this". In a way (in recent history) it always has been. Case in point, almost any political event. See what the NYT publishes on the Israel-Gaza conflict, in comparison with any middleeast/asian outlet. I'm not saying that this is always on purpose, it's likely a lot of it is human bias - but it doesn't change the fact that journalistic organizations have bias, and you need to read different papers for a complete picture.
  - duxup 3y ago
    I don't think that's what it means. It's not an all or nothing deal.
antoinebalaine 3y ago
Checking in with USG before publishing leaks is actually fairly standard procedure in order to avoid operatives on foreign soil being endangered. Wikileaks did so at everyone of the major releases they did in conjunction with NYT, WSJ, spiegel and Le monde - it's also the reason they stopped collaborating with some of those journals when they found out some of their journalists hadn't followed procedures. And it's also the reason why claims from USG that WL was endangering people's lives abroad were always bogus. About NYT withholding documents: well, that's just another nail in the coffin of the paper's credibility, along with yet another betrayal of the trust they got from WL...
- ForOldHack 3y ago
  "...avoid operatives on foreign soil being endangered." See Valarie Plume affair.
  - shwaj 3y ago
    Valarie Plame.
    - nerpderp82 3y ago
      Article here on Miller and Plame, how Plame was outted by Cheney's Chief of Staff, Scooter Libby. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38183380 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38183380 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooter_Libby#Involvement_in_the_Plame_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooter_Libby#Involvement_in_t...
netsharc 3y ago
Snowden has said he picked Greenwald/The Guardian over NYT because he knew Greenwald had the journalistic integrity not to squash the story/defer to the government, meanwhile NYT delayed publication of a story to after the 2004 Dubya reelection when requested. As to Greenwald's media career? He seems to have gone really fringe the last few years, but maybe I'm saying this because I believe the mainstream Russia and Trump 2016 story, and he seems convinced about US mainstream media incompetence/deference, but he just sounds angry all the time...
dadrian 3y ago
Oh, that's easy. It's because Assange committed crimes that Greenwald did not.
- pphysch 3y ago
  Come on, let's not be naive. If the USG wanted to persecute Greenwald, they would have come up with something.
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toyg 3y ago

Greenwald moved to Brazil, and his partner was subjected to extraordinary detention while travelling. Greenwald was just smarter than Assange at avoiding traps.

pphysch 3y ago
I'm not saying Greenwald was an agent of the USG or always planning to collude, but I think he saw the opportunity and took it, especially after his partner was detained and he saw how serious it was.

duxup 3y ago

>How did it come to this? Because leaks can have consequences and it's not clear to the NYT exactly what those might be? It's a tough situation because the government may not be a trusted partner, but I understand asking / trying to avoid collateral damage.

aleph_minus_one 3y ago
> Because leaks can have consequences and it's not clear to the NYT exactly what those might be? With this, the NYT has decided that they want to be a government propaganda organ instead of a journalistic organ.
- user_7832 3y ago
  > With this, the NYT has decided that they want to be a government propaganda organ instead of a journalistic organ. It isn't "with this". In a way (in recent history) it always has been. Case in point, almost any political event. See what the NYT publishes on the Israel-Gaza conflict, in comparison with any middleeast/asian outlet. I'm not saying that this is always on purpose, it's likely a lot of it is human bias - but it doesn't change the fact that journalistic organizations have bias, and you need to read different papers for a complete picture.
- duxup 3y ago
  I don't think that's what it means. It's not an all or nothing deal.

antoinebalaine 3y ago

Checking in with USG before publishing leaks is actually fairly standard procedure in order to avoid operatives on foreign soil being endangered. Wikileaks did so at everyone of the major releases they did in conjunction with NYT, WSJ, spiegel and Le monde - it's also the reason they stopped collaborating with some of those journals when they found out some of their journalists hadn't followed procedures. And it's also the reason why claims from USG that WL was endangering people's lives abroad were always bogus. About NYT withholding documents: well, that's just another nail in the coffin of the paper's credibility, along with yet another betrayal of the trust they got from WL...

ForOldHack 3y ago
"...avoid operatives on foreign soil being endangered." See Valarie Plume affair.
- shwaj 3y ago
  Valarie Plame.
  - nerpderp82 3y ago
    Article here on Miller and Plame, how Plame was outted by Cheney's Chief of Staff, Scooter Libby. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38183380 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38183380 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooter_Libby#Involvement_in_the_Plame_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooter_Libby#Involvement_in_t...

netsharc 3y ago

Snowden has said he picked Greenwald/The Guardian over NYT because he knew Greenwald had the journalistic integrity not to squash the story/defer to the government, meanwhile NYT delayed publication of a story to after the 2004 Dubya reelection when requested. As to Greenwald's media career? He seems to have gone really fringe the last few years, but maybe I'm saying this because I believe the mainstream Russia and Trump 2016 story, and he seems convinced about US mainstream media incompetence/deference, but he just sounds angry all the time...

dadrian 3y ago

Oh, that's easy. It's because Assange committed crimes that Greenwald did not.

pphysch 3y ago
Come on, let's not be naive. If the USG wanted to persecute Greenwald, they would have come up with something.

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