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Paul Graham wrote "31 Israeli and at least 3600 Palestinian children killed"

9 points by pg_1234 3y ago

jjgreen 3y ago
I don't get it, are those numbers disputed?
- catlover76 3y ago
  I think the only legitimate dispute would be that maybe more Israeli children were killed in the Oct 7 attacks? That seems like a reasonable and probably accurate criticism to me. The article doesn't seem that well-written and seems a little all over the place.
  - upofadown 3y ago
    A quick search revealed that the Israeli government has not released the number of children killed in the October 7 attacks. Which is kind of odd...
- coding123 3y ago
  It was missing the context.
  - jjgreen 3y ago
    It was a tweet (or whatever they're called now), how much context could you fit in one of those?
    - coding123 3y ago
      Maybe a URL? A shortened one?
  - catlover76 3y ago
    A lot of the statements that we've all seen have mourned only the Israeli dead, and have said zero about the death of Palestinian innocents or the "context" of the conflict, so I just don't see this as being a particularly legitimate or persuasive criticism.
    - hypocritevictim 3y ago
      https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties : 2008-2023 PF: 6,407 IF: 308 PI: 152,560 II: 6,307 . 2023-10 IF: 1400 IH: 200 2023-11-07 PF: 10,000 PC: 4,000 PD: 880,000 https://apnews.com/article/un-resolution-vote-israel-hamas-gaza-truce-7eec00b0e28ef2036636b166b48ca030 https://apnews.com/article/un-resolution-vote-israel-hamas-g... https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-11-6-2023-51286d15dddd77ae0dd7ea76ee52bc71 https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-11-6-2023-5... USD in aid spent per child killed (per conflict, per party) (Meanwhile thousands of kids have been taken from Ukraine to Russia, too)
      - catlover76 3y ago
        I'm honestly not sure what point you are trying to make to me or what those abbreviations even mean
bell-cot 3y ago
[sigh/] Stay away from the 3rd rail, Paul. You can't make the world any better that way, but you can certainly make your own life worse.
k310 3y ago
Ever since the war in Vietnam, I have detested "body count." One is too many, and comparisons lack humanity. People are not numbers.

9 points by pg_1234 3y ago

jjgreen 3y ago

I don't get it, are those numbers disputed?

catlover76 3y ago
I think the only legitimate dispute would be that maybe more Israeli children were killed in the Oct 7 attacks? That seems like a reasonable and probably accurate criticism to me. The article doesn't seem that well-written and seems a little all over the place.
- upofadown 3y ago
  A quick search revealed that the Israeli government has not released the number of children killed in the October 7 attacks. Which is kind of odd...
coding123 3y ago
It was missing the context.
- jjgreen 3y ago
  It was a tweet (or whatever they're called now), how much context could you fit in one of those?
  - coding123 3y ago
    Maybe a URL? A shortened one?
- catlover76 3y ago
  A lot of the statements that we've all seen have mourned only the Israeli dead, and have said zero about the death of Palestinian innocents or the "context" of the conflict, so I just don't see this as being a particularly legitimate or persuasive criticism.
  - hypocritevictim 3y ago
    https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties : 2008-2023 PF: 6,407 IF: 308 PI: 152,560 II: 6,307 . 2023-10 IF: 1400 IH: 200 2023-11-07 PF: 10,000 PC: 4,000 PD: 880,000 https://apnews.com/article/un-resolution-vote-israel-hamas-gaza-truce-7eec00b0e28ef2036636b166b48ca030 https://apnews.com/article/un-resolution-vote-israel-hamas-g... https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-11-6-2023-51286d15dddd77ae0dd7ea76ee52bc71 https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-11-6-2023-5... USD in aid spent per child killed (per conflict, per party) (Meanwhile thousands of kids have been taken from Ukraine to Russia, too)
    - catlover76 3y ago
      I'm honestly not sure what point you are trying to make to me or what those abbreviations even mean

bell-cot 3y ago

[sigh/] Stay away from the 3rd rail, Paul. You can't make the world any better that way, but you can certainly make your own life worse.

k310 3y ago

Ever since the war in Vietnam, I have detested "body count." One is too many, and comparisons lack humanity. People are not numbers.