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I will never understand that this blatant racism is allowed on HN. Would you say it is OK to say "Jewish business ethics are lacking"?

by kkzz99 3y ago

monero-xmr 3y ago
You have Chinese businesses collapsing left and right. I’ve worked with Chinese businessmen. China doesn’t have the rule of law, it’s about how politically connected you are in order to get problems solved. Without rules, it’s essentially power politics in business, and the way business is conducted is unethical.
- kkzz99 3y ago
  You have US businesses collapsing left and right too and in my opinion many US businesses are not conducting ethical business either, doesn't mean I'm blatantly generalizing. These blatant generalizations are nothing more than underhanded racism.
tuwtuwtuwtuw 3y ago
Why would it be racist to say that business ethics in a country is lacking when it's a) a country and not a group of people and 2) it's a well documented fact.
- kkzz99 3y ago
  And where are these facts?
  - tuwtuwtuwtuw 3y ago
    I checked your comment history and see 90% anti-west propaganda. Are you paid for doing this work or is it something you do for the fun of it?
    - kkzz99 3y ago
      Always accuse the other side of what you are doing.[1] I'm European and have nothing to do with China. Just because I call out racism and anti-China propaganda doesn't mean anything. [1]: https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/china-news/21091-a-500-million-dollar-business-america-s-state-sponsored-anti-china-propaganda.html https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/china-news/21091-a-500-million-...
    - AlecSchueler 3y ago
      If you're arguing something on the basis of fact and respond to a request for evidence of those facts with a character assault it's not very convincing.
fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
If all the Jews lived in Jewland that would be a valid comparison. What you're looking for is: > Would it be OK to say "Israeli business ethics are lacking?" And yes you would encounter the subset of people that think any criticism of Israel is antisemitism, but it would mostly be fine. However it is sus to just say that all business in an entire very large country have cooked books while offering 0 evidence other than "trust me bro"
- kkzz99 3y ago
  >However it is sus to just say that all business in an entire very large country have cooked books You provide zero evidence for this claim besides "trust me bro".
  - fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
    Everyone can see that I'm very clearly offering an opinion, and it's basically in agreement with your overall point. In your blind rush to defend China you've missed the mark. But anyway, after an exhaustive search I've concluded that there's no active research being done into determining if a statement is worth of being labeled as "sus". In that case all we can do is defer to our machine god, ChatGPT. > Yes, making a sweeping and unsupported claim that every business in a country of over 1.4 billion people has "cooked books" without any evidence would be considered suspicious and unfair.
- tuwtuwtuwtuw 3y ago
  If you look at the comment history of the person you replied to you will find that 90% of it is him defending China and sharing negative thoughts about US and EU. I don't think he is interested in hearing bad things about China.
  - monero-xmr 3y ago
    I’m describing the reality of how business is actually conducted. Contracts are a joke, unless you can pull strings. But it’s fine ignore people who tell you truths in the name of anti racism however you want to spin criticizing well-documented business practices https://www.amazon.com/Red-Roulette-Insiders-Corruption-Vengeance/dp/1982156155 https://www.amazon.com/Red-Roulette-Insiders-Corruption-Veng... Fairly good summary but I have lived experience
cscurmudgeon 3y ago
It is not racist. Taiwan, a different Chinese country, doesn't have these issues. It is only the country of China dictated by CCP that has this issue (one of the two Chinas). You are also engaging in false comparison. You are comparing a country (CCP-subjugated China) with a religion (Judaism).

I will never understand that this blatant racism is allowed on HN. Would you say it is OK to say "Jewish business ethics are lacking"?

by kkzz99 3y ago

I will never understand that this blatant racism is allowed on HN. Would you say it is OK to say "Jewish business ethics are lacking"?

monero-xmr 3y ago

You have Chinese businesses collapsing left and right. I’ve worked with Chinese businessmen. China doesn’t have the rule of law, it’s about how politically connected you are in order to get problems solved. Without rules, it’s essentially power politics in business, and the way business is conducted is unethical.

kkzz99 3y ago
You have US businesses collapsing left and right too and in my opinion many US businesses are not conducting ethical business either, doesn't mean I'm blatantly generalizing. These blatant generalizations are nothing more than underhanded racism.

tuwtuwtuwtuw 3y ago

Why would it be racist to say that business ethics in a country is lacking when it's a) a country and not a group of people and 2) it's a well documented fact.

kkzz99 3y ago
And where are these facts?
- tuwtuwtuwtuw 3y ago
  I checked your comment history and see 90% anti-west propaganda. Are you paid for doing this work or is it something you do for the fun of it?
  - kkzz99 3y ago
    Always accuse the other side of what you are doing.[1] I'm European and have nothing to do with China. Just because I call out racism and anti-China propaganda doesn't mean anything. [1]: https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/china-news/21091-a-500-million-dollar-business-america-s-state-sponsored-anti-china-propaganda.html https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/china-news/21091-a-500-million-...
  - AlecSchueler 3y ago
    If you're arguing something on the basis of fact and respond to a request for evidence of those facts with a character assault it's not very convincing.

fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago

If all the Jews lived in Jewland that would be a valid comparison. What you're looking for is: > Would it be OK to say "Israeli business ethics are lacking?" And yes you would encounter the subset of people that think any criticism of Israel is antisemitism, but it would mostly be fine. However it is sus to just say that all business in an entire very large country have cooked books while offering 0 evidence other than "trust me bro"

kkzz99 3y ago
>However it is sus to just say that all business in an entire very large country have cooked books You provide zero evidence for this claim besides "trust me bro".
- fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
  Everyone can see that I'm very clearly offering an opinion, and it's basically in agreement with your overall point. In your blind rush to defend China you've missed the mark. But anyway, after an exhaustive search I've concluded that there's no active research being done into determining if a statement is worth of being labeled as "sus". In that case all we can do is defer to our machine god, ChatGPT. > Yes, making a sweeping and unsupported claim that every business in a country of over 1.4 billion people has "cooked books" without any evidence would be considered suspicious and unfair.
tuwtuwtuwtuw 3y ago
If you look at the comment history of the person you replied to you will find that 90% of it is him defending China and sharing negative thoughts about US and EU. I don't think he is interested in hearing bad things about China.
- monero-xmr 3y ago
  I’m describing the reality of how business is actually conducted. Contracts are a joke, unless you can pull strings. But it’s fine ignore people who tell you truths in the name of anti racism however you want to spin criticizing well-documented business practices https://www.amazon.com/Red-Roulette-Insiders-Corruption-Vengeance/dp/1982156155 https://www.amazon.com/Red-Roulette-Insiders-Corruption-Veng... Fairly good summary but I have lived experience

cscurmudgeon 3y ago

It is not racist. Taiwan, a different Chinese country, doesn't have these issues. It is only the country of China dictated by CCP that has this issue (one of the two Chinas). You are also engaging in false comparison. You are comparing a country (CCP-subjugated China) with a religion (Judaism).