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okay, this is probably a really stupid question but if you're trying to cut down on real estate cost, why not go full remote and sell all your office space?

bobthepanda 3y ago
Some tax break programs (bring X jobs to an area) have clawback provisions. There’s also the matter of, if everyone is selling, now you have to fire sell into a huge market glut and realize a huge loss.
strikelaserclaw 3y ago
i really believe that 60-70% of back to office is about having fiefdoms for executives
- valianteffort 3y ago
  There is some element of that I'm sure but let's not pretend most people don't get less work done at home.
  - Arelius 3y ago
    I think your really going to have to cite your sources here. Based on the studys I've seen the it looks like the Jury is still out. And anecdotally it's been a big boost to most of the places I have direct involvement in.
    - valianteffort 3y ago
      It's a lazy appeal to authority to immediately say "well where's the study" as though empirical data means nothing. Everyone I know who is WFH admits they get less done. Yes their quality of life is better, and part of that is working less. A study saying the complete opposite means nothing to me because the world that I occupy says otherwise.
      - Arelius 3y ago
        I think that's a misread of my response. I commented that empirically, my experience has been the opposite. And that my suggestion was simply that your assettion that it is so clear, appears to need some serious support, since it seems the data does not support your position, neither empirical or otherwise.
      - achenet 3y ago
        The opposite has been true for me. Bizarrely having my own desk, not having to wear pants, being able to turn the wifi off (use ethernet), having full control of my sonic environment (I have a good hifi, I play white noise, rain noise, cafe noise, music), not having to shower and not having to commute seem correlated with less time spent browsing HN at work.
        Arelius 3y ago
        For sure, maybe it's my Adhd and/or chronic fatigue, but so often at work, I would not be able to get motivated or focused, and would mindlessly scroll the Internet waiting for the time when it would be reasonable to leave for the day. Now, I have much better flexibility to just acknowledge it's not happening for me now, take a short break, nap, walk or coffee, and come back to my desk later when my mind has been able to reset. I am much more able to get into the work mindset with that flexibility and control over my space. I find that in general within my team while many communication tasks are more challenging. The heads down tasks are greatly more productive.
- Arelius 3y ago
  For sure. Also, they got lonely and miss their "friends"

bobthepanda 3y ago

Some tax break programs (bring X jobs to an area) have clawback provisions. There’s also the matter of, if everyone is selling, now you have to fire sell into a huge market glut and realize a huge loss.

strikelaserclaw 3y ago

i really believe that 60-70% of back to office is about having fiefdoms for executives

valianteffort 3y ago
There is some element of that I'm sure but let's not pretend most people don't get less work done at home.
- Arelius 3y ago
  I think your really going to have to cite your sources here. Based on the studys I've seen the it looks like the Jury is still out. And anecdotally it's been a big boost to most of the places I have direct involvement in.
  - valianteffort 3y ago
    It's a lazy appeal to authority to immediately say "well where's the study" as though empirical data means nothing. Everyone I know who is WFH admits they get less done. Yes their quality of life is better, and part of that is working less. A study saying the complete opposite means nothing to me because the world that I occupy says otherwise.
    - Arelius 3y ago
      I think that's a misread of my response. I commented that empirically, my experience has been the opposite. And that my suggestion was simply that your assettion that it is so clear, appears to need some serious support, since it seems the data does not support your position, neither empirical or otherwise.
    - achenet 3y ago
      The opposite has been true for me. Bizarrely having my own desk, not having to wear pants, being able to turn the wifi off (use ethernet), having full control of my sonic environment (I have a good hifi, I play white noise, rain noise, cafe noise, music), not having to shower and not having to commute seem correlated with less time spent browsing HN at work.
      - Arelius 3y ago
        For sure, maybe it's my Adhd and/or chronic fatigue, but so often at work, I would not be able to get motivated or focused, and would mindlessly scroll the Internet waiting for the time when it would be reasonable to leave for the day. Now, I have much better flexibility to just acknowledge it's not happening for me now, take a short break, nap, walk or coffee, and come back to my desk later when my mind has been able to reset. I am much more able to get into the work mindset with that flexibility and control over my space. I find that in general within my team while many communication tasks are more challenging. The heads down tasks are greatly more productive.
Arelius 3y ago
For sure. Also, they got lonely and miss their "friends"