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Why would anyone give up land they conquered if they want to live on it? No one has a right to land outside of borders they can't defend. If you can't defend a
by nemo44x 3y ago
Why would anyone give up land they conquered if they want to live on it? No one has a right to land outside of borders they can't defend. If you can't defend a border then you aren't a sovereign nation. You're a group of people that need to work with the sovereign nation to allow you to live on the land they conquered.
- JohnFen 3y ago> Why would anyone give up land they conquered if they want to live on it? To avoid being evil? To be the sort of people who keeps promises?
- maxwell 3y agoWabanakis also fought the British and maintained their freedom. https://www.penobscothistory.com/historic-preservation/12-tribal-chiefs/10-joseph-orono https://www.penobscothistory.com/historic-preservation/12-tr... The Penobscot Nation, the oldest government in the Western hemisphere, has never been conquered.
- GlassOwAter 3y agoWhere do you live? I bet I can conquer your house.
- potatolicious 3y agoSo many people have this delusion that, in a Mad-Max-ian world they'd be a badass sitting on the bones of their enemies when in fact they'd just be dead in a ditch somewhere. There's a pretty vocal minority on HN (and in tech generally) that are unapologetic supporters of might-makes-right and wholly against the rule of law. It's at least a bit refreshing from the usual set of people who are against the same but too mealy-mouthed to say it outright.
- nemo44x 3y agoThe rule of law is might makes right. Who makes the law? Who enforces it?
- maxwell 3y agoThe people, in the U.S. We can strike down any federal statute, call a convention, and simply dissolve the federal government and create a new one whenever popularly desired. There's no monopoly on arms in this country. Every able-bodied male between 17 and 45 is in the militia and we keep a gun behind every blade of grass.
- jaywalk 3y agoA house is not a sovereign nation.
- nemo44x 3y agoI’m sure you can’t. The sovereign nation I live under has laws and the ability to enforce them that protect my property. If you tried to take my house then I’d have a tort against you. The nation would find in my favor and imprison you. My home would remain my property.
- yawpitch 3y agoThe concept of all three of borders, nations, and sovereignty as you’re using it are relatively recent innovations that haven’t survived for anywhere near as long as, for example, feudalism did as an organizing structure, and just as feudalism died this latest iteration of “my might makes me right” will, eventually, die as well. If it takes the species with it, so be it.
- fluoridation 3y agoIt seems to me that might makes right is at least as old as humanity itself. I don't see many animals organizing to resolve disputes peacefully. When it comes to relations between groups that do not engage socially with each other, might makes right seems like the default means to come to agreements.
- yawpitch 3y agoChild molestation is also at least as old as humanity itself... you have not made a sensible or reasoned argument for continuing to do what we did in the past.
- fluoridation 3y agoIt's not an argument in favor of continuing to do it. It's an argument against the idea that it will stop happening in the future.
- yawpitch 3y agoIt will absolutely stop happening in the future… the only question is will it have stopped because we finally outgrew thinking with our genitals, or will it have stopped because we failed to do so?
- fluoridation 3y agoYes, it will only stop when there no longer people to do it. We are in agreement in that.