I wasn't referring to the CIA and NSA. A lot of large organizations jumped on mainframes back in the 1960s and 1970s. That included US-friendly governments. So

I wasn't referring to the CIA and NSA. A lot of large organizations jumped on mainframes back in the 1960s and 1970s. That included US-friendly governments. Some of whom aren't very nice. Those systems and business relationships tend to survive. IBM is good about keeping it quiet. But occasionally someone notices and there is a scandal. The last major one was in 2019 when people found out that IBM was selling face recognition technology to United Arab Emirates. IBM discontinued that technology in 2020 because of the scandal.