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Believe or not, not all businesses are interested in to maximalism of profit. At the end, regulations are shaped by lobby. Otherwise we wouldn't drive and buy h

Believe or not, not all businesses are interested in to maximalism of profit. At the end, regulations are shaped by lobby. Otherwise we wouldn't drive and buy heavier cars every year and at same time care about co2 consumption for example. - because it is to expensive to pay for someone to clean it up. Isn't that one of reasons to throw it in to bin instead?

em-bee 3y ago
Believe or not, not all businesses are interested in to maximalism of profit that's easy to disprove. there are businesses that do not care about maximizing profit, but have other goals. (look up b-corp for one form of that. in my own business the goal is to maximize the number of jobs that i can create) regulations are shaped by lobby which is really bad, because it means those who are the loudest get their way and everyone else suffers. throw it into trash bins? and who empties the trash bins? the point you are missing is that if noone pays for trash removal then trash doesn't get removed. so either everyone pays for their own, or the community collects money and everyone contributes to that. there is no way around that.
- t0bia_s 3y ago
  Lobby is absent in non regulated environment. Only competition maters. Bin empties a company that is payed for its job. Now it doesn't matter how much waste you produce, because its mandated and same for all for same price. But not all litter a same. Which makes inequalities. Same for health care (EU), education, etc.
  - em-bee 3y ago
    mandated aka forced contribution aka taxes. you might argue that taxes are not the same thing, but i disagree. the point is that it is a required contribution, which is a condition for living in a community, which was the argument that i started with.
    - t0bia_s 3y ago
      You miss my point here. Im strongly against manadatory and forced contributions. If you don't see a purpose in financing something, force to do it brings inequalities and in long term create conflicts. I prefer reasonable choices that have sense for you or community. Imagine businesses in private sector that would charge you for things that you don't ordered. Its nonsense, somehow tolerable if done by state.
      - em-bee 3y ago
        then who cleans up the trash? charge you for things that you don't ordered that is not what is happening here. the state is not some foreign entity, but the elected representative will of the community. i want the trash taken care of, and so does the majority of the community. if your government does not do what your community wants then you don't live in a functioning democracy. that is a different problem alltogether. in summary: free market will not take care of those problems i mentioned. if you disagree, then i'd like to see a specific explanation how a free market can take care of those issues. anything mandatory is not a free market. to get these things taken care of, the community will have to enact rules or delegate someone to do it. how it makes that decision is is up to the community. it doesn't require a government that is not under the control of the community. nor does the existence of taxes imply the existence of such a government.
        t0bia_s 3y ago
        - if your government does not do what your community wants then you don't live in a functioning democracy. Democracy is rule of majority and make inequalities by definition. Minorities needs to accept rules that they do not agree with. It's like monopoly except it is forbidden to do competition by law. Decentralisation of taxes or financial system could solve many issues that escalate recently. - i'd like to see a specific explanation how a free market can take care of those issues. I don't think free market solve issues. Decentralisation and gathering in local communities could. Less mandateds = less laws = less taxes = more personal responsibility which means more effective solving problems that really matter for you and your close one. - to get these things taken care of, the community will have to enact rules or delegate someone to do it. how it makes that decision is is up to the community. it doesn't require a government that is not under the control of the community. nor does the existence of taxes imply the existence of such a government. I agree with that.

em-bee 3y ago

Believe or not, not all businesses are interested in to maximalism of profit that's easy to disprove. there are businesses that do not care about maximizing profit, but have other goals. (look up b-corp for one form of that. in my own business the goal is to maximize the number of jobs that i can create) regulations are shaped by lobby which is really bad, because it means those who are the loudest get their way and everyone else suffers. throw it into trash bins? and who empties the trash bins? the point you are missing is that if noone pays for trash removal then trash doesn't get removed. so either everyone pays for their own, or the community collects money and everyone contributes to that. there is no way around that.

t0bia_s 3y ago
Lobby is absent in non regulated environment. Only competition maters. Bin empties a company that is payed for its job. Now it doesn't matter how much waste you produce, because its mandated and same for all for same price. But not all litter a same. Which makes inequalities. Same for health care (EU), education, etc.
- em-bee 3y ago
  mandated aka forced contribution aka taxes. you might argue that taxes are not the same thing, but i disagree. the point is that it is a required contribution, which is a condition for living in a community, which was the argument that i started with.
  - t0bia_s 3y ago
    You miss my point here. Im strongly against manadatory and forced contributions. If you don't see a purpose in financing something, force to do it brings inequalities and in long term create conflicts. I prefer reasonable choices that have sense for you or community. Imagine businesses in private sector that would charge you for things that you don't ordered. Its nonsense, somehow tolerable if done by state.
    - em-bee 3y ago
      then who cleans up the trash? charge you for things that you don't ordered that is not what is happening here. the state is not some foreign entity, but the elected representative will of the community. i want the trash taken care of, and so does the majority of the community. if your government does not do what your community wants then you don't live in a functioning democracy. that is a different problem alltogether. in summary: free market will not take care of those problems i mentioned. if you disagree, then i'd like to see a specific explanation how a free market can take care of those issues. anything mandatory is not a free market. to get these things taken care of, the community will have to enact rules or delegate someone to do it. how it makes that decision is is up to the community. it doesn't require a government that is not under the control of the community. nor does the existence of taxes imply the existence of such a government.
      - t0bia_s 3y ago
        - if your government does not do what your community wants then you don't live in a functioning democracy. Democracy is rule of majority and make inequalities by definition. Minorities needs to accept rules that they do not agree with. It's like monopoly except it is forbidden to do competition by law. Decentralisation of taxes or financial system could solve many issues that escalate recently. - i'd like to see a specific explanation how a free market can take care of those issues. I don't think free market solve issues. Decentralisation and gathering in local communities could. Less mandateds = less laws = less taxes = more personal responsibility which means more effective solving problems that really matter for you and your close one. - to get these things taken care of, the community will have to enact rules or delegate someone to do it. how it makes that decision is is up to the community. it doesn't require a government that is not under the control of the community. nor does the existence of taxes imply the existence of such a government. I agree with that.