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Not sure what qualifies as "normal", but I've been happy with mailfence.com for a few years now. I rarely see them mentioned in privacy lists, which I appreciat

by imiric 3y ago

Not sure what qualifies as "normal", but I've been happy with mailfence.com for a few years now. I rarely see them mentioned in privacy lists, which I appreciate, as I don't want them to get too much attention. :) They're based in Belgium, and have a solid stance on privacy and security. They provide IMAP/SMTP access, calendar/CalDAV, contacts/CardDAV, custom domain names, filters, spam blocking, etc. It's a pretty well-rounded and maintained service. The web UI is not the most modern, but it's usable.

coderedart 3y ago
Yeah, no way mailfence is that privacy friendly. https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/mumbai-news/how-cops-caught-the-too-clever-by-half-collegiate-threatening-mukesh-ambani-101699298598816.html https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/mumbai-news/how-cops-c... The police were able to get a lot of info from mailfence to catch a stupid student who thought using a vpn and mailfence would enable him to send threats easily to the richest man in india. The police got info on how many accounts were from this country, how many of them were active, monitor the mail account for new mails etc..
- imiric 3y ago
  No reputable email service will allow you to use it to commit crimes. If the activity is against their ToS, and they get a legal warrant to provide information to the authorities, then this goes beyond any reasonable expectation of privacy. Mailfence is pretty open about this[1]. Their privacy policy[2] also seems reasonable. Their only obligation is complying with Belgian law, and I'll take that any day over a service within the Five Eyes jurisdiction. [1]: https://blog.mailfence.com/transparency-report-and-warrant-canary/ https://blog.mailfence.com/transparency-report-and-warrant-c... [2]: https://mailfence.com/en/privacy.jsp https://mailfence.com/en/privacy.jsp
  - coderedart 3y ago
    Ah, good to know. Although, Crime means nothing when police can easily just register a fake case and ask to monitor your email id. India has fallen a lot in human rights ranking in this decade.

by imiric 3y ago

coderedart 3y ago

Yeah, no way mailfence is that privacy friendly. https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/mumbai-news/how-cops-caught-the-too-clever-by-half-collegiate-threatening-mukesh-ambani-101699298598816.html https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/mumbai-news/how-cops-c... The police were able to get a lot of info from mailfence to catch a stupid student who thought using a vpn and mailfence would enable him to send threats easily to the richest man in india. The police got info on how many accounts were from this country, how many of them were active, monitor the mail account for new mails etc..

imiric 3y ago
No reputable email service will allow you to use it to commit crimes. If the activity is against their ToS, and they get a legal warrant to provide information to the authorities, then this goes beyond any reasonable expectation of privacy. Mailfence is pretty open about this[1]. Their privacy policy[2] also seems reasonable. Their only obligation is complying with Belgian law, and I'll take that any day over a service within the Five Eyes jurisdiction. [1]: https://blog.mailfence.com/transparency-report-and-warrant-canary/ https://blog.mailfence.com/transparency-report-and-warrant-c... [2]: https://mailfence.com/en/privacy.jsp https://mailfence.com/en/privacy.jsp
- coderedart 3y ago
  Ah, good to know. Although, Crime means nothing when police can easily just register a fake case and ask to monitor your email id. India has fallen a lot in human rights ranking in this decade.