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I did search for E-Mail provider alternatives recently and came across a blog post by Drew DeVault: https://drewdevault.com/2020/06/19/Mail-service-provider-rec

I did search for E-Mail provider alternatives recently and came across a blog post by Drew DeVault: https://drewdevault.com/2020/06/19/Mail-service-provider-recommendations.html https://drewdevault.com/2020/06/19/Mail-service-provider-rec... He used to recommend mailbox.org and migadu. Two questions: 1) Does anyone know why he does not recommend Tuta(nota)? Edit: I missed the footnote > Do they make unfounded claims about security or privacy, or develop techniques which ultimately rely on trusting them instead of supporting or improving standards which rely on encryption? > This also rules out ProtonMail and Tutanota, doubly damning them, especially because it provides an excuse for skipping IMAP and SMTP, which conveniently enables vendor lock-in. I see from other comments that they don't support IMAP/SMTP and force their own apps. 2) Does anyone know why he stopped recommending mailbox.org? He changed it a few weeks ago without any explanation I can see.

Emesanist 3y ago
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hackideiomat 3y ago
Tuta is just weird. It's not really email, it's more like an encrypted chat. If you send a "mail" to someone who does not have tuta, guess what, they are invited to tuta xD
- Aldipower 3y ago
  Not true! This only applies, if you sent an encrypted mail. Which makes sense I guess?
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Beijinger 3y ago
He seems to have a pretty clear idea what he is talking about. I mentioned infomaniak.com already as an Email provider (can bring you own domain). It is also Switzerland. But regarding law enforcement, posteo.de did a pretty decent job. E.g.: https://posteo-de.translate.goog/site/transparenzbericht_2014?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://posteo-de.translate.goog/site/transparenzbericht_201... I once saw a long post from posteo with examples for idiot law enforcement trying to get customer data. Sometimes even writing from private emails (e.g. gmail). Without a court order, such requests are not legit.
leopld 3y ago
I'm a happy (non-German) mailbox.org customer. They are clearly committed to their core offerings and their pricing is fair. I have previously also used Migadu, but I migrated to mailbox.org. Can't remember why exactly and looking at migadu.com again today, they seem to tick all the boxes for me when it comes to personal email. I remember they had a great UI in general, but in particular the settings UI was fantastic.
qweqwe14 3y ago
cock.li is a pretty good E-Mail/VPS provider from what I heard. From their homepage: > How can I trust you? You can't. Cock.li doesn't parse your E-mail to provide you with targeted ads, nor does cock.li read E-mail contents unless it's for a legal court order. However, it is 100% possible for me to read E-mail, and IMAP/SMTP doesn't provide user-side/client-side encryption, so you're just going to have to take my word for it. Any encryption implementation would still technically allow me to read E-mail, too. This was true for Lavabit as well -- while your E-mail was stored encrypted (only if you were a paid member, which most people forget), E-mail could still technically be intercepted while being received / sent (SMTP), or while being read by your mail client (IMAP). For privacy, we recommend encrypting your E-mails using PGP using a mail client add-on like Enigmail, or downloading your mail locally with POP and regularly deleting your mail from our server. Also, there's this quote from /g/: Administering a mail host is sort of like being a nurse; there's a brief period at the start when the thought of seeing people's privates might be vaguely titillating in a theoretical sense, but that sort of thing doesn't last long when it's up against the daily reality of shit, piss, blood, and vomit. Now that I think about it, administering a mail host is exactly like being a nurse, only people die slightly less often. -------------------------------- They also publish all emails/call recordings when dealing with law enforcement on their transparency page.
- nargek 3y ago
  Ah yes the alt-right paradise. "@hitler.rocks" and "@nuke.africa" are really nice domain to have :) The administrator of cock.lu also famously hosted with oVo systems some more than sketchy boards.
  - qweqwe14 3y ago
    I'd personally love to have an E-Mail address ending with nuke.africa. If you can't understand that it's satirical/jokey, I feel bad for you. Some people are way too serious on the Internet. If you are offended by a bunch of words without proper context you really need to go outside. Also see this thread that discusses this at length: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33142122 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33142122

Emesanist 3y ago

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hackideiomat 3y ago

Tuta is just weird. It's not really email, it's more like an encrypted chat. If you send a "mail" to someone who does not have tuta, guess what, they are invited to tuta xD

Aldipower 3y ago
Not true! This only applies, if you sent an encrypted mail. Which makes sense I guess?

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Beijinger 3y ago

He seems to have a pretty clear idea what he is talking about. I mentioned infomaniak.com already as an Email provider (can bring you own domain). It is also Switzerland. But regarding law enforcement, posteo.de did a pretty decent job. E.g.: https://posteo-de.translate.goog/site/transparenzbericht_2014?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://posteo-de.translate.goog/site/transparenzbericht_201... I once saw a long post from posteo with examples for idiot law enforcement trying to get customer data. Sometimes even writing from private emails (e.g. gmail). Without a court order, such requests are not legit.

leopld 3y ago

I'm a happy (non-German) mailbox.org customer. They are clearly committed to their core offerings and their pricing is fair. I have previously also used Migadu, but I migrated to mailbox.org. Can't remember why exactly and looking at migadu.com again today, they seem to tick all the boxes for me when it comes to personal email. I remember they had a great UI in general, but in particular the settings UI was fantastic.

qweqwe14 3y ago

cock.li is a pretty good E-Mail/VPS provider from what I heard. From their homepage: > How can I trust you? You can't. Cock.li doesn't parse your E-mail to provide you with targeted ads, nor does cock.li read E-mail contents unless it's for a legal court order. However, it is 100% possible for me to read E-mail, and IMAP/SMTP doesn't provide user-side/client-side encryption, so you're just going to have to take my word for it. Any encryption implementation would still technically allow me to read E-mail, too. This was true for Lavabit as well -- while your E-mail was stored encrypted (only if you were a paid member, which most people forget), E-mail could still technically be intercepted while being received / sent (SMTP), or while being read by your mail client (IMAP). For privacy, we recommend encrypting your E-mails using PGP using a mail client add-on like Enigmail, or downloading your mail locally with POP and regularly deleting your mail from our server. Also, there's this quote from /g/: Administering a mail host is sort of like being a nurse; there's a brief period at the start when the thought of seeing people's privates might be vaguely titillating in a theoretical sense, but that sort of thing doesn't last long when it's up against the daily reality of shit, piss, blood, and vomit. Now that I think about it, administering a mail host is exactly like being a nurse, only people die slightly less often. -------------------------------- They also publish all emails/call recordings when dealing with law enforcement on their transparency page.

nargek 3y ago
Ah yes the alt-right paradise. "@hitler.rocks" and "@nuke.africa" are really nice domain to have :) The administrator of cock.lu also famously hosted with oVo systems some more than sketchy boards.
- qweqwe14 3y ago
  I'd personally love to have an E-Mail address ending with nuke.africa. If you can't understand that it's satirical/jokey, I feel bad for you. Some people are way too serious on the Internet. If you are offended by a bunch of words without proper context you really need to go outside. Also see this thread that discusses this at length: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33142122 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33142122