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Thank you for not including surveillance in the app. I’m buying it to show my support for this decision, even before I know if I will use it or not. Edit: spo

by sneak 3y ago

Thank you for not including surveillance in the app. I’m buying it to show my support for this decision, even before I know if I will use it or not. Edit: spoke too soon. It seems to hang on “Loading pricing plans…” so I can’t seem to. It’s good you offer a lifetime plan (the only way I would buy it) but subscriptionware is repulsive. Please consider just not using subscriptions.

bigblind 3y ago
> [...] but subscriptionware is repulsive. Please consider just not using subscriptions. I get where you're coming from, especially if an app has no service component, but it's inevitable if a platform has no good way to charge for upgrades. And as much as some people would like to buy a version of an app once and keep using that same version forever, platforms also make that impossible by changing the environment an app runs in in backwards-incompatible ways, so the software needs to be maintained, and that has a price.
- _Algernon_ 3y ago
  In the past this was solved by releasing a new major version of the app. Want the new version? Buy it again. Otherwise you could still keep the old version until it broke. Taking away consumer choice is never a good thing and that is exactly what subscriptions are designed to do. Not to mention that subscription pricing is always ridiculously high.
  - anconam 3y ago
    In my opinion having a yearly big release is not great for users. Feature and fixes should that could roll out weekly are artificially delayed to the next major release only because of the pricing model.
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bossyTeacher 3y ago
Expecting not to have a subscription for a mobile app in 2023 is not realistic. For an app to be available on the app store, even if no features are added, needs to be regularly maintained. That maintenance has a cost. If you want to have an application with no maintenance, just side load an app file and be done with it.
- pantulis 3y ago
  What are the regular maintenance costs that are specific to a mobile application? And more importanty, how does the Streaks app from Crunchy Bagel manage to do without subscriptions? My point being that the recurring cost of a developer license can easily be diluted on one-time payments.
  - bossyTeacher 3y ago
    Dependency updates, security updates, bug fixes. Yes, if your userbase is in the hundreds of thousands, the one time payments will cover a developer's lifetime of maintenance work. But if you are a random HN dev with a 20-user app, then the 100 dollars, you will not cover a 10 year period of maintenance work, unless your app has zero dependencies and doesn't use any web apis. Crunchy Bagel is not a random HN dev making a random app. I highly dislike this attitude people have with expecting free work when it comes to software. If the app was sold as it was with 0 additional work of any kind, I bet you wouldn't buy it. You expect free work. But if I ask you to come clean my toilet for free, you wouldn't do it. This is why we have ads on the web nowadays.
    - master-lincoln 3y ago
      But the dev here claimed they created this tool for themselves. If that is the case, why not let everyone else use it for free too if you maintain it for yourself anyway. I wouldn't answer questions or read feedback then as a dev because it's not a product really, but why not go that route?
      - aniforprez 3y ago
robertlagrant 3y ago
> subscriptionware is repulsive This is far too extreme. It's not repulsive. Just don't choose it if you don't want it.
degisner 3y ago
Thank you for buying the premium! I don't really love the subscription type of paying as a user as well, so I included the lifetime option.

by sneak 3y ago

bigblind 3y ago

> [...] but subscriptionware is repulsive. Please consider just not using subscriptions. I get where you're coming from, especially if an app has no service component, but it's inevitable if a platform has no good way to charge for upgrades. And as much as some people would like to buy a version of an app once and keep using that same version forever, platforms also make that impossible by changing the environment an app runs in in backwards-incompatible ways, so the software needs to be maintained, and that has a price.

_Algernon_ 3y ago
In the past this was solved by releasing a new major version of the app. Want the new version? Buy it again. Otherwise you could still keep the old version until it broke. Taking away consumer choice is never a good thing and that is exactly what subscriptions are designed to do. Not to mention that subscription pricing is always ridiculously high.
- anconam 3y ago
  In my opinion having a yearly big release is not great for users. Feature and fixes should that could roll out weekly are artificially delayed to the next major release only because of the pricing model.

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bossyTeacher 3y ago

Expecting not to have a subscription for a mobile app in 2023 is not realistic. For an app to be available on the app store, even if no features are added, needs to be regularly maintained. That maintenance has a cost. If you want to have an application with no maintenance, just side load an app file and be done with it.

pantulis 3y ago
What are the regular maintenance costs that are specific to a mobile application? And more importanty, how does the Streaks app from Crunchy Bagel manage to do without subscriptions? My point being that the recurring cost of a developer license can easily be diluted on one-time payments.
- bossyTeacher 3y ago
  Dependency updates, security updates, bug fixes. Yes, if your userbase is in the hundreds of thousands, the one time payments will cover a developer's lifetime of maintenance work. But if you are a random HN dev with a 20-user app, then the 100 dollars, you will not cover a 10 year period of maintenance work, unless your app has zero dependencies and doesn't use any web apis. Crunchy Bagel is not a random HN dev making a random app. I highly dislike this attitude people have with expecting free work when it comes to software. If the app was sold as it was with 0 additional work of any kind, I bet you wouldn't buy it. You expect free work. But if I ask you to come clean my toilet for free, you wouldn't do it. This is why we have ads on the web nowadays.
  - master-lincoln 3y ago
    But the dev here claimed they created this tool for themselves. If that is the case, why not let everyone else use it for free too if you maintain it for yourself anyway. I wouldn't answer questions or read feedback then as a dev because it's not a product really, but why not go that route?
    - aniforprez 3y ago

robertlagrant 3y ago

> subscriptionware is repulsive This is far too extreme. It's not repulsive. Just don't choose it if you don't want it.

degisner 3y ago

Thank you for buying the premium! I don't really love the subscription type of paying as a user as well, so I included the lifetime option.