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There are existing educational programs for prisoners. In France they do theatre and even have collaboration programs with universities. Building on top of that

by sofixa 3y ago

There are existing educational programs for prisoners. In France they do theatre and even have collaboration programs with universities. Building on top of that to add a Holocaust survivor or an SS guard tell their story, alongside a few history lessons, is not torture. You really need to think why did you jump to fucking Guantanamo when talking about educating prisoners. You might be American and simply not know better humanity with your inhumane prison industrial complex, but not every country is the same. Most criminals deserve a second chance, and helping them get educated is probably giving them the best shot at that, while also benefiting the wider society by reducing recidivism. Also, neither torture nor concentration camps were invented in Germany.

carlosjobim 3y ago
Pardon me for jumping to conclusions, when you explicitly say that you want to put people in camps for mandatory re-education if they express certain opinions that doesn't align with the government's. I think I'm not the only one who remembers that this has already been done in Germany – among other places. Voluntary theatre courses and university studies was not the first thing I thought about when you were talking about "mandatory education courses", especially given that the reason why you want to put these people in prison or camps in the first place is for their opinions. > Also, neither torture nor concentration camps were invented in Germany. The documentary is about a specific form of brainwashing that they call "re-patterning", which was invented in Germany and then later widely spread throughout the world in the 20th century. The key point is that with forceful re-education you will achieve two things: 1. You will destroy innocent people's minds and their lives. 2. The bad guys will become even more strengthened in their resolve after they've been released. There is a long list here of people who were subject to US torture and brainwashing, who then probably returned to terrorist activity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_former_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees_alleged_to_have_returned_to_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_former_Guantanamo_Bay... That's the results of re-education, and that's one more reason why mandatory re-education shouldn't be put in practice.
- sofixa 3y ago
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- carlosjobim 3y ago
  FWIW I didn't down vote or flag your reply, I don't think anybody should have.

by sofixa 3y ago

carlosjobim 3y ago

Pardon me for jumping to conclusions, when you explicitly say that you want to put people in camps for mandatory re-education if they express certain opinions that doesn't align with the government's. I think I'm not the only one who remembers that this has already been done in Germany – among other places. Voluntary theatre courses and university studies was not the first thing I thought about when you were talking about "mandatory education courses", especially given that the reason why you want to put these people in prison or camps in the first place is for their opinions. > Also, neither torture nor concentration camps were invented in Germany. The documentary is about a specific form of brainwashing that they call "re-patterning", which was invented in Germany and then later widely spread throughout the world in the 20th century. The key point is that with forceful re-education you will achieve two things: 1. You will destroy innocent people's minds and their lives. 2. The bad guys will become even more strengthened in their resolve after they've been released. There is a long list here of people who were subject to US torture and brainwashing, who then probably returned to terrorist activity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_former_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees_alleged_to_have_returned_to_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_former_Guantanamo_Bay... That's the results of re-education, and that's one more reason why mandatory re-education shouldn't be put in practice.

sofixa 3y ago
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carlosjobim 3y ago
FWIW I didn't down vote or flag your reply, I don't think anybody should have.