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Disclaimer: I can't read the article. But this is my understanding of this particular scam: It's not that they advertised normal hangers and sent small hangers

Disclaimer: I can't read the article. But this is my understanding of this particular scam: It's not that they advertised normal hangers and sent small hangers. Technically, they advertised small hangers. You can't tell that from the photos (no size reference) so most people just assume that they're selling big hangers. They design the listing as misleadingly as possible, so that you have to read very very carefully to catch it. If they just shipped a brick then they've committed fraud. If they ship a product that's technically exactly as described, then in a sense it's the buyer's "fault" for not being more careful about what they were buying. Many buyers will even blame themselves once they realize and not issue a dispute.

imglorp 3y ago
Surely there's a practical concept of "fit for purpose" here? At least in some parts of the law, there's a standard of what a reasonable person expects from a statement, like presenting a hanger or Xbox. A teeny hanger or an Xbox box are not fit for the standard purpose so there is clearly still a scam even if dressed up a little.
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thaumasiotes 3y ago
> It's not that they advertised normal hangers and sent small hangers. Technically, they advertised small hangers. You can't tell that from the photos (no size reference) Did you look at the photo in the article? You can easily tell that they're tiny hangers. If those were normally-sized hangers, the hooks would be something like 5 inches in diameter.
afdginionio 3y ago
>If they ship a product that's technically exactly as described, then in a sense it's the buyer's "fault" for not being more careful about what they were buying. It's probably still fraud. If it seems dishonest to the average person, it will probably seem dishonest to the average judge. The law is more sensible than most people think. I'm not a lawyer. I've just sued a few people.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > * It's probably still fraud. If it seems dishonest to the average perso* Nothing was hidden! There was no deceit! If I say I’ll take your money if you let me, and you let me, you were not defrauded. You may have been taken advantage of. But it’s not fraud. (Also, they now have your money. To pay lawyers with.)

imglorp 3y ago

Surely there's a practical concept of "fit for purpose" here? At least in some parts of the law, there's a standard of what a reasonable person expects from a statement, like presenting a hanger or Xbox. A teeny hanger or an Xbox box are not fit for the standard purpose so there is clearly still a scam even if dressed up a little.

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thaumasiotes 3y ago

> It's not that they advertised normal hangers and sent small hangers. Technically, they advertised small hangers. You can't tell that from the photos (no size reference) Did you look at the photo in the article? You can easily tell that they're tiny hangers. If those were normally-sized hangers, the hooks would be something like 5 inches in diameter.

afdginionio 3y ago

>If they ship a product that's technically exactly as described, then in a sense it's the buyer's "fault" for not being more careful about what they were buying. It's probably still fraud. If it seems dishonest to the average person, it will probably seem dishonest to the average judge. The law is more sensible than most people think. I'm not a lawyer. I've just sued a few people.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> * It's probably still fraud. If it seems dishonest to the average perso* Nothing was hidden! There was no deceit! If I say I’ll take your money if you let me, and you let me, you were not defrauded. You may have been taken advantage of. But it’s not fraud. (Also, they now have your money. To pay lawyers with.)