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This is the wider problem of AI in general. It is right some percent of the time. You can only use AI in situations where being wrong randomly, without anyone t

This is the wider problem of AI in general. It is right some percent of the time. You can only use AI in situations where being wrong randomly, without anyone to sue or blame, is OK. Why people keep trying to use AI to drive cars, I have no idea. It’s like starting with the hardest of hard problems immediately. Fools errand, if you work in self driving cars get out ASAP while the rest of AI is still hot and you can get paid. Because the other stuff is on cusp of the trough of despair given the increasingly desperate emails from salesmen I get from XYZ.ai startups.

tux1968 3y ago
If it follows the trajectory chess AI took, it will seem pathetic for quite some time, right up until the moment it outperforms every human on the planet by a wide margin.
- monero-xmr 3y ago
  Nobody wants to play chess AI. We want to play against humans.
- steveBK123 3y ago
  Isn't it also like Go though where AI changes the game, and once humans adapt there are adversarial methods that AI trained on human players fail to understand? So AI entering a space changes a space, and humans respond faster to that change. I think this is an underconsidered part of autonomous cars. As soon as every vehicle in Manhattan is autonomous, people will bully them into sitting idle at green lights while walkers, bikers, scooters and everyone else flagrantly jaywalk in front of them. With a human on human interaction there is a chance the driver will try to kill you, or you feel guilt at inconveniencing them. With an AI trained to drive safely, the safest thing to do will accept being bullied. A similar thing will happen in a mixed human & autonomous environment where human drivers will abuse the AI drivers.
  - ghaff 3y ago
    >As soon as every vehicle in Manhattan is autonomous, people will bully them into sitting idle at green lights while walkers, bikers, scooters and everyone else flagrantly jaywalk in front of them. Sounds like pretty much how things work now so long as anything has paused the road traffic--which is all the time.
    - steveBK123 3y ago
      Yes, but the risk of being killed or not wanting to get honked at eventually makes pedestrians abide by the crosswalk signs on average, even if they jump into the crosswalk early and linger in it too late. Knowing there is no risk of a deranged or distracted driver hitting pedestrians will make them even more aggressive. People are underestimating how impatient a bunch of midtown commuters will be when they know theres nothing preventing them from continuing their multi block walk completely uninhibited by traffic signals.
      - ghaff 3y ago
        Basically, both walkers and drivers take everything they can within reason.

tux1968 3y ago

If it follows the trajectory chess AI took, it will seem pathetic for quite some time, right up until the moment it outperforms every human on the planet by a wide margin.

monero-xmr 3y ago
Nobody wants to play chess AI. We want to play against humans.
steveBK123 3y ago
Isn't it also like Go though where AI changes the game, and once humans adapt there are adversarial methods that AI trained on human players fail to understand? So AI entering a space changes a space, and humans respond faster to that change. I think this is an underconsidered part of autonomous cars. As soon as every vehicle in Manhattan is autonomous, people will bully them into sitting idle at green lights while walkers, bikers, scooters and everyone else flagrantly jaywalk in front of them. With a human on human interaction there is a chance the driver will try to kill you, or you feel guilt at inconveniencing them. With an AI trained to drive safely, the safest thing to do will accept being bullied. A similar thing will happen in a mixed human & autonomous environment where human drivers will abuse the AI drivers.
- ghaff 3y ago
  >As soon as every vehicle in Manhattan is autonomous, people will bully them into sitting idle at green lights while walkers, bikers, scooters and everyone else flagrantly jaywalk in front of them. Sounds like pretty much how things work now so long as anything has paused the road traffic--which is all the time.
  - steveBK123 3y ago
    Yes, but the risk of being killed or not wanting to get honked at eventually makes pedestrians abide by the crosswalk signs on average, even if they jump into the crosswalk early and linger in it too late. Knowing there is no risk of a deranged or distracted driver hitting pedestrians will make them even more aggressive. People are underestimating how impatient a bunch of midtown commuters will be when they know theres nothing preventing them from continuing their multi block walk completely uninhibited by traffic signals.
    - ghaff 3y ago
      Basically, both walkers and drivers take everything they can within reason.