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I cannot get past the captcha loop. Is that typical?

by smnrchrds 3y ago

wmf 3y ago
They're blocking tons of people.
_rs 3y ago
Those links rarely ever work on my iPhone, but Internet Archive links always do
DistractionRect 3y ago
Iirc, it has to due with their infrastructure and DNS queries. The short of it, as I understand it, is they try connect you to instances far away from your geo location because it gives them a longer time to process legal takedown requests. So some DNS do something that conflicts with this, and so they serve up the infinite captcha instead. I have this problem if I use cloudflare for domain name resolution, but it goes away if I use something else (like Google, my ISP, etc). Edit: found it, cloudflare truncates edns, which is why archive sandbags requests that are boot strapped with a cloudflare dns lookup: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36970702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36970702
- godelski 3y ago
  I think it is affecting more than just cloudflare users. Also, we should be, imo, pointing fingers at archive and not cloudflare because they strip the edns for privacy reasons. Archive's response is just that they don't store that, which isn't a great excuse. And I think this gets worse with encrypted DNS, which should be fucking standard these days. My reading of it felt like the classic dev move of "that's not my problem, that's other people's problem" (https://imgflip.com/i/8559hq https://imgflip.com/i/8559hq)
  - WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
    > I think it is affecting more than just cloudflare users. It is absolutely hitting more the Cloudflare users. It's not that old edns issue (tho might it be tangentially related).
    - godelski 3y ago
      Yeah I think people think it is just cloudflare and so they get blamed when it is archive pulling some fuckery. I mean I get that it's a small team (or just one dude?) but still it is annoying when devs are like "rtfm" (in spirit) but there actually isn't a fm to read... It's why I don't open issues on GitHub... P.S got a typo there? the -> than?
WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
It's hitting tons of people. ref:https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38141513 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38141513 tl;dr It's not (just) Cloudflare. Lots of (all?) DNS providers are giving out IP addresses that send users to unskippable captcha pages. The DNS providers get those IPs from Archive's own NS. So Archive is the real source. It depends on where you are in the world. I get Captcha IPs from Quad9 (9.9.9.9) if I query from FL,US - and good IPs if I query Quad9 from Romania. As of today, these IPs are good: 5.188.6.118 23.184.48.154 94.140.114.194 178.17.174.208 179.43.151.41 domains: archive.today archive.ph archive.is archive.li archive.vn archive.fo archive.md No promises about tomorrow or even an hour from now.
internet2000 3y ago
They block iCloud Private Relay users. Might be catching you.

I cannot get past the captcha loop. Is that typical?

wmf 3y ago

They're blocking tons of people.

_rs 3y ago

Those links rarely ever work on my iPhone, but Internet Archive links always do

DistractionRect 3y ago

Iirc, it has to due with their infrastructure and DNS queries. The short of it, as I understand it, is they try connect you to instances far away from your geo location because it gives them a longer time to process legal takedown requests. So some DNS do something that conflicts with this, and so they serve up the infinite captcha instead. I have this problem if I use cloudflare for domain name resolution, but it goes away if I use something else (like Google, my ISP, etc). Edit: found it, cloudflare truncates edns, which is why archive sandbags requests that are boot strapped with a cloudflare dns lookup: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36970702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36970702

godelski 3y ago
I think it is affecting more than just cloudflare users. Also, we should be, imo, pointing fingers at archive and not cloudflare because they strip the edns for privacy reasons. Archive's response is just that they don't store that, which isn't a great excuse. And I think this gets worse with encrypted DNS, which should be fucking standard these days. My reading of it felt like the classic dev move of "that's not my problem, that's other people's problem" (https://imgflip.com/i/8559hq https://imgflip.com/i/8559hq)
- WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
  > I think it is affecting more than just cloudflare users. It is absolutely hitting more the Cloudflare users. It's not that old edns issue (tho might it be tangentially related).
  - godelski 3y ago
    Yeah I think people think it is just cloudflare and so they get blamed when it is archive pulling some fuckery. I mean I get that it's a small team (or just one dude?) but still it is annoying when devs are like "rtfm" (in spirit) but there actually isn't a fm to read... It's why I don't open issues on GitHub... P.S got a typo there? the -> than?

WarOnPrivacy 3y ago

It's hitting tons of people. ref:https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38141513 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38141513 tl;dr It's not (just) Cloudflare. Lots of (all?) DNS providers are giving out IP addresses that send users to unskippable captcha pages. The DNS providers get those IPs from Archive's own NS. So Archive is the real source. It depends on where you are in the world. I get Captcha IPs from Quad9 (9.9.9.9) if I query from FL,US - and good IPs if I query Quad9 from Romania. As of today, these IPs are good: 5.188.6.118 23.184.48.154 94.140.114.194 178.17.174.208 179.43.151.41 domains: archive.today archive.ph archive.is archive.li archive.vn archive.fo archive.md No promises about tomorrow or even an hour from now.

internet2000 3y ago

They block iCloud Private Relay users. Might be catching you.