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I’m not sold on this being an issue. Maybe by the Pi 6 or Pi 7 it will matter. >90% of people don’t use WPA3. And a huge part of those that do (including mysel

I’m not sold on this being an issue. Maybe by the Pi 6 or Pi 7 it will matter. >90% of people don’t use WPA3. And a huge part of those that do (including myself) have networks with automatic WPA2 fallback even though that neutralizes most benefits. Maybe in 5 years it will be different. In my opinion though, it won’t matter until the day that one ISP somewhere ships a WPA3-exclusive router, which isn’t happening soon.

lazide 3y ago
Or ever? Most folks have at least some equipment they’ll be livid to not be able to use.
- lmm 3y ago
  It'll happen eventually, just like 2G phone coverage getting turned off.
  - lazide 3y ago
    So in another decade or two? Though the difference here is that was common infrastructure managed by large companies. No reason a home router won’t stick around a lot longer. A non trivial number of people still have land lines with rotary phones!
    - lmm 3y ago
      > So in another decade or two? Maybe. Maybe less. Worth worrying about if you're doing a hardware project that's going to be around for a while. > Though the difference here is that was common infrastructure managed by large companies. > No reason a home router won’t stick around a lot longer. A lot of the time people's home router is tied to their ISP and they have to change it when they switch or move. > A non trivial number of people still have land lines with rotary phones! Really? My parents had to replace theirs ~5 years ago when the phone company stopped allowing pulse dialing.
      - lazide 3y ago
        Most folks don’t move often. About half the people I know haven’t moved in decades. Are they still on POTS, or a voip bridge? Most POTS providers still support it, but most voip bridges don’t.
  - tengwar2 3y ago
    I'm seeing 3G being turned off, not 2G. How common is 2G going, globally?
    - est31 3y ago
      You are right that most places I know about turn off 3G instead of 2G, mostly because of embedded users relying on 2G. Switzerland on the other hand decided to turn off 2G while keeping 3G running (for now): https://www.comcom.admin.ch/comcom/en/Homepage/documentation/facts-and-figures/mobile-telephony/mobile-coverage.html https://www.comcom.admin.ch/comcom/en/Homepage/documentation...
    - mananaysiempre 3y ago
      Israel is turning off 2G and 3G both after the end of 2025; no new 2G- or 3G-only subscribers after 2022: https://www.gov.il/en/departments/news/27062021_2 https://www.gov.il/en/departments/news/27062021_2.
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mixermachine 3y ago
I have to enable the fallback specifically because of such devices that do not implement WPA3. I would much more prefer to only use WPA3. My mother however does not care (as an example). At the same time she and most other not so tech savy people aren't using a Raspberry PI. I think the demand is there.

lazide 3y ago

Or ever? Most folks have at least some equipment they’ll be livid to not be able to use.

lmm 3y ago
It'll happen eventually, just like 2G phone coverage getting turned off.
- lazide 3y ago
  So in another decade or two? Though the difference here is that was common infrastructure managed by large companies. No reason a home router won’t stick around a lot longer. A non trivial number of people still have land lines with rotary phones!
  - lmm 3y ago
    > So in another decade or two? Maybe. Maybe less. Worth worrying about if you're doing a hardware project that's going to be around for a while. > Though the difference here is that was common infrastructure managed by large companies. > No reason a home router won’t stick around a lot longer. A lot of the time people's home router is tied to their ISP and they have to change it when they switch or move. > A non trivial number of people still have land lines with rotary phones! Really? My parents had to replace theirs ~5 years ago when the phone company stopped allowing pulse dialing.
    - lazide 3y ago
      Most folks don’t move often. About half the people I know haven’t moved in decades. Are they still on POTS, or a voip bridge? Most POTS providers still support it, but most voip bridges don’t.
- tengwar2 3y ago
  I'm seeing 3G being turned off, not 2G. How common is 2G going, globally?
  - est31 3y ago
    You are right that most places I know about turn off 3G instead of 2G, mostly because of embedded users relying on 2G. Switzerland on the other hand decided to turn off 2G while keeping 3G running (for now): https://www.comcom.admin.ch/comcom/en/Homepage/documentation/facts-and-figures/mobile-telephony/mobile-coverage.html https://www.comcom.admin.ch/comcom/en/Homepage/documentation...
  - mananaysiempre 3y ago
    Israel is turning off 2G and 3G both after the end of 2025; no new 2G- or 3G-only subscribers after 2022: https://www.gov.il/en/departments/news/27062021_2 https://www.gov.il/en/departments/news/27062021_2.
- deleted 3y ago
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mixermachine 3y ago

I have to enable the fallback specifically because of such devices that do not implement WPA3. I would much more prefer to only use WPA3. My mother however does not care (as an example). At the same time she and most other not so tech savy people aren't using a Raspberry PI. I think the demand is there.