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> The initial recommendation not to go out and panic buy masks was for a good reason, healthcare providers needed them first. Except that wasn’t the messaging

> The initial recommendation not to go out and panic buy masks was for a good reason, healthcare providers needed them first. Except that wasn’t the messaging at the time. The messaging at the time was that masks didn’t work. Then, when the supply chain caught up and the authorities wanted to impose mask mandates, the messaging changed and they said masks did work. The “facts” were manipulated in order to align with the desired policy outcomes.

kube-system 3y ago
> Except that wasn’t the messaging at the time. The messaging at the time was that masks didn’t work. Then, when the supply chain caught up and the authorities wanted to impose mask mandates, the messaging changed and they said masks did work. The “facts” were manipulated in order to align with the desired policy outcomes. That isn't true, at least in regards to the CDC's guidance. The CDC was up front about the reasoning from the beginning. There were others who repeated different variations of this, which has clouded this topic for a long time. > March 24, 2020 > “Facemasks may be in short supply and they should be saved for caregivers,” the government agency says. > https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-07-27/timeline-cdc-mask-guidance-during-covid-19-pandemic https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-07-27/timeline-cd...
- ajsnigrutin 3y ago
  https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-117hr2316ih/html/BILLS-117hr2316ih.htm https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-117hr2316ih/html/B... (7) In March 2020, Dr. Fauci told Americans not to wear masks, noting: ``There's no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you are in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it is not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences--people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.''. Also: (10) Dr. Fauci also now claims that herd immunity will require 80 to 85 percent of Americans to get the vaccine. Somehow herd immunity dissapeared from the media too.
  - kube-system 3y ago
    That is a quote from a political document with a clear agenda, but in context at the time, that statement isn't damning at all (because means of transmission wasn't as clearly understood), and was clarified just a few days later on CDC's website. At that time, many people thought that transmission was (or might be) also prevalent thorough surface contact. If that was the case, it would be less of a reason to wear masks, as the general public isn't trained in aseptic technique and, as I'm sure you're observed, touches the heck out of their masks. In that context, there's not a damn thing wrong with that quote. > Somehow herd immunity dissapeared from the media too. Yeah, because we all learned new things! We learned that while the vaccines did do a good job at preventing death and serious disease, they not provide a great deal of immunity. And we also learned that immunity, if any, waned quickly, and people could be infected multiple times. So yeah, there's not much reason to talk about herd immunity, because it ain't gonna happen.
    - ajsnigrutin 3y ago
      Again, I'm not talking about the scientific process of figuring stuff out, I'm saying that we literally censored people saying otherwise, even if it turned out, that they were correct after all. > Yeah, because we all learned new things! We learned that while the vaccines did do a good job at preventing death and serious disease, they not provide a great deal of immunity. Back then? No. https://web.archive.org/web/20210402002315/https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/transcript-rachel-maddow-show-3-29-21-n1262442 https://web.archive.org/web/20210402002315/https://www.msnbc... (interview with the director of the CDC) > And we have -- we can kind of almost see the end. We`re vaccinating so very fast, our data from the CDC today suggests, you know, that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don`t get sick, and that it`s not just in the clinical trials but it`s also in real world data. If you went on facebook/reddit back then, the day after that interview, and wrote: "vaccines don't give you a lot of immunity, you'll still get ill, you'll still infect grandma, she can still die from covid, and even with 100% vaccination rate, there will never be herd immunity!", what would happen to your post? Would it stay there? Or would it be removed for misinformation? If you were a public figure and said that out loud, would "the science/experts" agree with your (then and now) perfectly valid theory, or would you be called an antivaxxer, denyer, conspiracy theorist?

kube-system 3y ago

> Except that wasn’t the messaging at the time. The messaging at the time was that masks didn’t work. Then, when the supply chain caught up and the authorities wanted to impose mask mandates, the messaging changed and they said masks did work. The “facts” were manipulated in order to align with the desired policy outcomes. That isn't true, at least in regards to the CDC's guidance. The CDC was up front about the reasoning from the beginning. There were others who repeated different variations of this, which has clouded this topic for a long time. > March 24, 2020 > “Facemasks may be in short supply and they should be saved for caregivers,” the government agency says. > https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-07-27/timeline-cdc-mask-guidance-during-covid-19-pandemic https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-07-27/timeline-cd...

ajsnigrutin 3y ago
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-117hr2316ih/html/BILLS-117hr2316ih.htm https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-117hr2316ih/html/B... (7) In March 2020, Dr. Fauci told Americans not to wear masks, noting: ``There's no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you are in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it is not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences--people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.''. Also: (10) Dr. Fauci also now claims that herd immunity will require 80 to 85 percent of Americans to get the vaccine. Somehow herd immunity dissapeared from the media too.
- kube-system 3y ago
  That is a quote from a political document with a clear agenda, but in context at the time, that statement isn't damning at all (because means of transmission wasn't as clearly understood), and was clarified just a few days later on CDC's website. At that time, many people thought that transmission was (or might be) also prevalent thorough surface contact. If that was the case, it would be less of a reason to wear masks, as the general public isn't trained in aseptic technique and, as I'm sure you're observed, touches the heck out of their masks. In that context, there's not a damn thing wrong with that quote. > Somehow herd immunity dissapeared from the media too. Yeah, because we all learned new things! We learned that while the vaccines did do a good job at preventing death and serious disease, they not provide a great deal of immunity. And we also learned that immunity, if any, waned quickly, and people could be infected multiple times. So yeah, there's not much reason to talk about herd immunity, because it ain't gonna happen.
  - ajsnigrutin 3y ago
    Again, I'm not talking about the scientific process of figuring stuff out, I'm saying that we literally censored people saying otherwise, even if it turned out, that they were correct after all. > Yeah, because we all learned new things! We learned that while the vaccines did do a good job at preventing death and serious disease, they not provide a great deal of immunity. Back then? No. https://web.archive.org/web/20210402002315/https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/transcript-rachel-maddow-show-3-29-21-n1262442 https://web.archive.org/web/20210402002315/https://www.msnbc... (interview with the director of the CDC) > And we have -- we can kind of almost see the end. We`re vaccinating so very fast, our data from the CDC today suggests, you know, that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don`t get sick, and that it`s not just in the clinical trials but it`s also in real world data. If you went on facebook/reddit back then, the day after that interview, and wrote: "vaccines don't give you a lot of immunity, you'll still get ill, you'll still infect grandma, she can still die from covid, and even with 100% vaccination rate, there will never be herd immunity!", what would happen to your post? Would it stay there? Or would it be removed for misinformation? If you were a public figure and said that out loud, would "the science/experts" agree with your (then and now) perfectly valid theory, or would you be called an antivaxxer, denyer, conspiracy theorist?