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This is such a strange thing to say. I'd be curious if you feel the same way about cleaning up your code, or cleaning up your room. I think you have an unfair a

This is such a strange thing to say. I'd be curious if you feel the same way about cleaning up your code, or cleaning up your room. I think you have an unfair advantage in this argument because it's difficult to defend such intangible benefits. We have to resort to making up logical explanations, or sounding unhinged or emotional as you suggest. But it's simply intangible. My instinct tells me that it's helpful and that's okay. I don't owe anyone a justification for how I organize things, and there's nothing controversial about this. (Or maybe I could even come up with a logical example of a benefit, but that's a trap I'm not going to fall into) And a lot of people agree, and they know what I mean, so it's not merely an individual preference. If I have to work with someone who has strong preference against it I'll worry at that point about negotiating.

watwut 3y ago
> I'd be curious if you feel the same way about cleaning up your code, or cleaning up your room Very genuinely: I do not care at all whether you clean your room starting from left and continuing to right. Or, starting from doors and continuing toward window. Or whether you clean it in a random order. I also do not care about whether you clean every Friday or whenever you feel like. That is the equivalent of git history. Because this excessive care about git history is just that - insisting that room is cleaned from left to right as if any other order was an issue. The reason why it is hard to defend the tangible benefits of this or that git history strategy is that there are very little benefits.
- orblivion 3y ago
  > I do not care at all whether you clean your room starting from left and continuing to right But you didn't say that you don't want it clean. It sounds like you're talking about how it's organized rather than whether it's organized. > The reason why it is hard to defend I'm talking about intangible benefits and no that's not the reason. Intangible benefits are inherently difficult to defend in words. Citing this as evidence of anything is akin to a debater's trick.
  - watwut 3y ago
    Insisting on highly organized git history is like insisting on particular order of cleaning. History is not the product itself. It is not the code itself. It is less important and matters only a little. In the rare situation when I have to read it, I am perfectly ok looking at previous commit too or whatever. It is still less overall work then what people describe in here. Even with room, I do not want my room infinitely clean. I am ok when books are not ordered by height and color for example. I do not need t-shirst ordered by color either.

watwut 3y ago

> I'd be curious if you feel the same way about cleaning up your code, or cleaning up your room Very genuinely: I do not care at all whether you clean your room starting from left and continuing to right. Or, starting from doors and continuing toward window. Or whether you clean it in a random order. I also do not care about whether you clean every Friday or whenever you feel like. That is the equivalent of git history. Because this excessive care about git history is just that - insisting that room is cleaned from left to right as if any other order was an issue. The reason why it is hard to defend the tangible benefits of this or that git history strategy is that there are very little benefits.

orblivion 3y ago
> I do not care at all whether you clean your room starting from left and continuing to right But you didn't say that you don't want it clean. It sounds like you're talking about how it's organized rather than whether it's organized. > The reason why it is hard to defend I'm talking about intangible benefits and no that's not the reason. Intangible benefits are inherently difficult to defend in words. Citing this as evidence of anything is akin to a debater's trick.
- watwut 3y ago
  Insisting on highly organized git history is like insisting on particular order of cleaning. History is not the product itself. It is not the code itself. It is less important and matters only a little. In the rare situation when I have to read it, I am perfectly ok looking at previous commit too or whatever. It is still less overall work then what people describe in here. Even with room, I do not want my room infinitely clean. I am ok when books are not ordered by height and color for example. I do not need t-shirst ordered by color either.