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Raspberry Pi passes CE and FCC regulations

58 points by ukdm 15y ago

msielski 15y ago
Source: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/978 http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/978 I didn't see anyone mention how much the process costs. Does anyone have any experience with this?
- excuse-me 15y ago
  It depends on how much time in the test chamber you need and how many retests. It can be many $10k-$100K. But since you can't really test until you have a production PCB layout and then you might have to move tracks or add caps/inductors/ground planes - the costs of a redesign are normally much much higher than the testing
  - tesseract 15y ago
    This is why you sometimes see, for example, a device that is designed to accommodate RF shielding but the shield is not installed. It's cheaper to design the shield and then omit it in production if the tests happen to pass without it, than it is to risk failing a test and have to go back and redesign with better shielding.
AUmrysh 15y ago
I've always wondered what sort of devices would actually break the FCC regulations on interference. I'd imagine the only things that might do that are radio devices and jammers. Does anyone have experience with such devices?
- sophacles 15y ago
  I presume those regulations exist for a few reasons: 1) In any wireless device, it is not hard to imagine a bug causing problems 2) In any electronic device carrying oscillating currents, there is EM emission, therefore it is possible for unintended leakage on bad frequencies (e.g. this trace is just the right length to be a broadcast antenna at frequency Y, given normal modes of operation. 3) Some devices may individually not cause problems, even though they are low power emissions on certain bands, but cumulatively they may cause signal degradation in those bands. 4) Having and enforcing them forces engineers to ensure they are met up front, resulting in better, nicer playing devices to begin with, as it is cheaper to engineer it right, than to deal with the consequences of doing it poorly.
  - Retric 15y ago
    It's also something of a hold over from larger electric devices. A poorly designed laptop can mess with your local radio reception and networking equipment, but a poorly designed 50KW electric motor can disrupt radio transmission over a much larger area.
- paxswill 15y ago
  First thing I thought of: http://www.ladyada.net/make/wavebubble/index.html http://www.ladyada.net/make/wavebubble/index.html
- BorgHunter 15y ago
  It's rare, but possible, even in devices which should have nothing to do with wireless signals at all: http://dansdata.com/gz128.htm http://dansdata.com/gz128.htm
  - tezmc 15y ago
    I had a small remote control toy car when I was a child. One day I got freaked out when I heard voices coming out of it. It turned out I wasn't going mad, the thing was picking up local CB radio.
- bandy 15y ago
  Find someone with a running TRS-80. Bring your favorite portable AM radio with you. Have your friend run a program, and while that's occurring, put your radio next to the machine and start tuning it around. It won't take long before you find one of the (many) harmonics emitted by the computer.
- HeyLaughingBoy 15y ago
  A crappy $1 brush DC motor running from a 9V battery does a pretty good job of generating tons of interference all across the spectrum.
  - 69_years_and 15y ago
    Yup, and the common universal motor (used in vacuum cleaners to power drills) is a big offender too.
- dfox 15y ago
  Perfect example of such devices are cheap Chinese replacement chargers for just about anything. Anything that contains oscillator radiates RF and when the device switches relatively large currents periodically (like for example switched mode power supply) it becomes pretty good transmitter unless adequately shielded and filtered. Another significant source of EMI is almost any kind of digital sequential logic which contains signals with very sharp edges, which are mostly synchronized with each other.
- rcxdude 15y ago
  well, the rasberry pi didn't pass on the first go due to a misconfigured HDMI interface, so it seems it's not too hard to accidently breach the rules.
shabble 15y ago
From the source[1]: The Raspberry Pi had to pass radiated and conducted emissions and immunity tests in a variety of configurations (a single run can take hours), and was subjected to electrostatic discharge (ESD) testing to establish its robustness to being rubbed on a cat. It’s a long process, involving a scary padded room full of blue cones, turntables that rise and fall on demand, and a thing that looks a lot like a television aerial crossed with Cthulhu. As someone who's looked into getting a substantially similar device CE-marked, getting it all done inside a week is pretty heroic. [1] http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/978 http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/978

58 points by ukdm 15y ago

Source: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/978 http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/978 I didn't see anyone mention how much the process costs. Does anyone have any experience with this?

excuse-me 15y ago
It depends on how much time in the test chamber you need and how many retests. It can be many $10k-$100K. But since you can't really test until you have a production PCB layout and then you might have to move tracks or add caps/inductors/ground planes - the costs of a redesign are normally much much higher than the testing
- tesseract 15y ago
  This is why you sometimes see, for example, a device that is designed to accommodate RF shielding but the shield is not installed. It's cheaper to design the shield and then omit it in production if the tests happen to pass without it, than it is to risk failing a test and have to go back and redesign with better shielding.

AUmrysh 15y ago

I've always wondered what sort of devices would actually break the FCC regulations on interference. I'd imagine the only things that might do that are radio devices and jammers. Does anyone have experience with such devices?

sophacles 15y ago
I presume those regulations exist for a few reasons: 1) In any wireless device, it is not hard to imagine a bug causing problems 2) In any electronic device carrying oscillating currents, there is EM emission, therefore it is possible for unintended leakage on bad frequencies (e.g. this trace is just the right length to be a broadcast antenna at frequency Y, given normal modes of operation. 3) Some devices may individually not cause problems, even though they are low power emissions on certain bands, but cumulatively they may cause signal degradation in those bands. 4) Having and enforcing them forces engineers to ensure they are met up front, resulting in better, nicer playing devices to begin with, as it is cheaper to engineer it right, than to deal with the consequences of doing it poorly.
- Retric 15y ago
  It's also something of a hold over from larger electric devices. A poorly designed laptop can mess with your local radio reception and networking equipment, but a poorly designed 50KW electric motor can disrupt radio transmission over a much larger area.
paxswill 15y ago
First thing I thought of: http://www.ladyada.net/make/wavebubble/index.html http://www.ladyada.net/make/wavebubble/index.html
BorgHunter 15y ago
It's rare, but possible, even in devices which should have nothing to do with wireless signals at all: http://dansdata.com/gz128.htm http://dansdata.com/gz128.htm
- tezmc 15y ago
  I had a small remote control toy car when I was a child. One day I got freaked out when I heard voices coming out of it. It turned out I wasn't going mad, the thing was picking up local CB radio.
bandy 15y ago
Find someone with a running TRS-80. Bring your favorite portable AM radio with you. Have your friend run a program, and while that's occurring, put your radio next to the machine and start tuning it around. It won't take long before you find one of the (many) harmonics emitted by the computer.
HeyLaughingBoy 15y ago
A crappy $1 brush DC motor running from a 9V battery does a pretty good job of generating tons of interference all across the spectrum.
- 69_years_and 15y ago
  Yup, and the common universal motor (used in vacuum cleaners to power drills) is a big offender too.
dfox 15y ago
Perfect example of such devices are cheap Chinese replacement chargers for just about anything. Anything that contains oscillator radiates RF and when the device switches relatively large currents periodically (like for example switched mode power supply) it becomes pretty good transmitter unless adequately shielded and filtered. Another significant source of EMI is almost any kind of digital sequential logic which contains signals with very sharp edges, which are mostly synchronized with each other.
rcxdude 15y ago
well, the rasberry pi didn't pass on the first go due to a misconfigured HDMI interface, so it seems it's not too hard to accidently breach the rules.

shabble 15y ago

From the source[1]: The Raspberry Pi had to pass radiated and conducted emissions and immunity tests in a variety of configurations (a single run can take hours), and was subjected to electrostatic discharge (ESD) testing to establish its robustness to being rubbed on a cat. It’s a long process, involving a scary padded room full of blue cones, turntables that rise and fall on demand, and a thing that looks a lot like a television aerial crossed with Cthulhu. As someone who's looked into getting a substantially similar device CE-marked, getting it all done inside a week is pretty heroic. [1] http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/978 http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/978