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I think I speak for a few of us AI Doomers here when I say that this makes me excited and terribly anxious at the same time. So... well done OpenAI :). Great ne

by bbor 3y ago

I think I speak for a few of us AI Doomers here when I say that this makes me excited and terribly anxious at the same time. So... well done OpenAI :). Great news, and a great feature! I have no doubt that this will immensely increase uptake among the less technically literate, since it will allow the techy people in their life (or on the app store) to introduce them with much less friction. It'll be like the little examples you can find on the "New Chat" screen of every chatbot, but 1000x more engaging

cubefox 3y ago
You clearly aren't much of a doomer yet. There is nothing exciting about a looming catastrophe.
- pphysch 3y ago
  *laughs in Accelerationism* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism
- MeImCounting 3y ago
  If the catastrophe is mega-corps getting to monopolize a valuable technology because people saw The Terminator and thought it was a documentary then any announcement from OpenAI is bad news.
  - cubefox 3y ago
    The catastrophe is humanity going extinct from superintelligent AI. Like a native species going extinct after an invasive species arrives. Mentioning Terminator is like saying the Earth is flat because Hitler said it is round.
    - MeImCounting 3y ago
      This reminds of the Eliezer Yudkowsky tweet saying that AI was going to hack our DNA and use our bodies to mine bitcoin or something. Ridiculous fearmongering. I have probably read more sci-fi than the average HN user but the whole "superintelligent AI is going to kill us all" hysteria is among the more ridiculous ideas I have ever heard. Really though I have entertained all the doomers propositions and none of them seem any more likely than the plot of the Matrix. The ideas that prop these fears up are based on layers of ever more far fetched hypothesis about things that do not exist. If you have a novel reason why AI poses an x-risk I am more than interested in hearing it. Here is a really interesting quote that I think might go against some of the misanthropic tendencies of doomers and the tech crowd in general but it really is more relevant than ever: “There was also the Argument of Increasing Decency, which basically held that cruelty was linked to stupidity and that the link between intelligence, imagination, empathy and good-behaviour-as-it-was-generally-understood – i.e. not being cruel to others – was as profound as these matters ever got.”
      - cubefox 3y ago
        A species doesn't automatically get more altruistic towards other species once it gets smarter. Look at how many species humanity drove to extinction.
        MeImCounting 3y ago
        True humans have been remarkably ignorant throughout our short history. Though you might notice though that most folks dont go around abusing animals or hurting other people on purpose. Take from that what you will. Give this essay a read if youre interested in good faith arguments about the danger of AI at the current state of development. https://1a3orn.com/sub/essays-propaganda-or-science.html https://1a3orn.com/sub/essays-propaganda-or-science.html Maybe together as a species we can avoid hellish cyberpunk dystopias brought on by regulatory capture of the most powerful technology created by humans thusfar. I can only hope.
        cubefox 3y ago
        I know this piece. Here is a better article by a top biologist and CRISPR pioneer: https://nitter.net/kesvelt/status/1720440451059335520 https://nitter.net/kesvelt/status/1720440451059335520 But anyway, that's just human terrorists using future AIs to build biological weapons. But the much greater danger is superintelligent AI causing human extinction by itself.
        MeImCounting 3y ago
        That is not an article that is a series of short-form tweets. If it was an actual article I would absolutely read it but I cannot see referencing a bunch of tweets from a self-proclaimed expert as in any sense good faith. I asked if you had any novel ideas about how "superintelligent AI" gives a valid x-risk but you failed to provide any interesting ideas. So I wont engage with what from my perspective is fearmongering for the benefit of malicious corporations. I still dont see any studies with control groups and reproduceable experimental procedures saying that any AI agent is in any way more useful to a 'terrorist' than unrestricted access to the internet.
    - ed_mercer 3y ago
      Looks like we’re gonna go extinct anyway, so might as well have a shot at AGI.
      - cubefox 3y ago
        I think without AI we wouldn't go extinct for a long time. There are no other likely extinction risks. Toby Ord has a nice book (The Precipice) about various forms of extinction risks, and he basically says the same thing.
SodaPrompt 3y ago
I think that's probably the point. It's kind of like early Wordpress with plugins. People who couldn't make professional websites suddenly could (with a little design and UI sense.) So I thought maybe if you get in at the beginning you might be able to make some waves in a pond...but I'm not sure because it moves much quicker and evolves into different things. Eventually, soon, none of the GPT's will be shiny enough.

by bbor 3y ago

cubefox 3y ago

You clearly aren't much of a doomer yet. There is nothing exciting about a looming catastrophe.

pphysch 3y ago
*laughs in Accelerationism* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism
MeImCounting 3y ago
If the catastrophe is mega-corps getting to monopolize a valuable technology because people saw The Terminator and thought it was a documentary then any announcement from OpenAI is bad news.
- cubefox 3y ago
  The catastrophe is humanity going extinct from superintelligent AI. Like a native species going extinct after an invasive species arrives. Mentioning Terminator is like saying the Earth is flat because Hitler said it is round.
  - MeImCounting 3y ago
    This reminds of the Eliezer Yudkowsky tweet saying that AI was going to hack our DNA and use our bodies to mine bitcoin or something. Ridiculous fearmongering. I have probably read more sci-fi than the average HN user but the whole "superintelligent AI is going to kill us all" hysteria is among the more ridiculous ideas I have ever heard. Really though I have entertained all the doomers propositions and none of them seem any more likely than the plot of the Matrix. The ideas that prop these fears up are based on layers of ever more far fetched hypothesis about things that do not exist. If you have a novel reason why AI poses an x-risk I am more than interested in hearing it. Here is a really interesting quote that I think might go against some of the misanthropic tendencies of doomers and the tech crowd in general but it really is more relevant than ever: “There was also the Argument of Increasing Decency, which basically held that cruelty was linked to stupidity and that the link between intelligence, imagination, empathy and good-behaviour-as-it-was-generally-understood – i.e. not being cruel to others – was as profound as these matters ever got.”
    - cubefox 3y ago
      A species doesn't automatically get more altruistic towards other species once it gets smarter. Look at how many species humanity drove to extinction.
      - MeImCounting 3y ago
        True humans have been remarkably ignorant throughout our short history. Though you might notice though that most folks dont go around abusing animals or hurting other people on purpose. Take from that what you will. Give this essay a read if youre interested in good faith arguments about the danger of AI at the current state of development. https://1a3orn.com/sub/essays-propaganda-or-science.html https://1a3orn.com/sub/essays-propaganda-or-science.html Maybe together as a species we can avoid hellish cyberpunk dystopias brought on by regulatory capture of the most powerful technology created by humans thusfar. I can only hope.
        cubefox 3y ago
        I know this piece. Here is a better article by a top biologist and CRISPR pioneer: https://nitter.net/kesvelt/status/1720440451059335520 https://nitter.net/kesvelt/status/1720440451059335520 But anyway, that's just human terrorists using future AIs to build biological weapons. But the much greater danger is superintelligent AI causing human extinction by itself.
        MeImCounting 3y ago
        That is not an article that is a series of short-form tweets. If it was an actual article I would absolutely read it but I cannot see referencing a bunch of tweets from a self-proclaimed expert as in any sense good faith. I asked if you had any novel ideas about how "superintelligent AI" gives a valid x-risk but you failed to provide any interesting ideas. So I wont engage with what from my perspective is fearmongering for the benefit of malicious corporations. I still dont see any studies with control groups and reproduceable experimental procedures saying that any AI agent is in any way more useful to a 'terrorist' than unrestricted access to the internet.
  - ed_mercer 3y ago
    Looks like we’re gonna go extinct anyway, so might as well have a shot at AGI.
    - cubefox 3y ago
      I think without AI we wouldn't go extinct for a long time. There are no other likely extinction risks. Toby Ord has a nice book (The Precipice) about various forms of extinction risks, and he basically says the same thing.

SodaPrompt 3y ago

I think that's probably the point. It's kind of like early Wordpress with plugins. People who couldn't make professional websites suddenly could (with a little design and UI sense.) So I thought maybe if you get in at the beginning you might be able to make some waves in a pond...but I'm not sure because it moves much quicker and evolves into different things. Eventually, soon, none of the GPT's will be shiny enough.