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The 128k context window GPT-4 Turbo model looks unreal. Seems like Anthropic's day of reckoning is here?

infecto 3y ago
Anthropic never even had a day. I said this before in another Anthropic thread but I signed up 6 months ago for API access and they never responded. An employee in that thread apologized and said to try again, did it, week later still nothing. As far as commercial viability, they never had it.
- QkPrsMizkYvt 3y ago
  same here. I wonder why they are not opening it up to more devs. Seems strange.
  - freedomben 3y ago
    Purely a guess, but having tried to scale services to new customers, it can be a lot harder than it seems, especially if you have to customize anything. Early on, doing a generic one-size-fits-all can be really, really hard, and acquiring those early big customers is important to survival and often requires customizations.
- famouswaffles 3y ago
  Yeah i know this wasn't the case for everyone but i got gpt-4 access back in march the next day. Tried Claude and still waiting. Oh well lol.
- taf2 3y ago
  I got access to Claude 2 - it’s really good and have been chatting with their sales team. Seems they were reasonably responsive- but overall with OpenAI 128k context and price anthropic has no edge
  - infecto 3y ago
    Maybe my company address is not good enough. Never heard from them unfortunately. Tried a couple times.
- bluecrab 3y ago
  They can't even compete with open source since multiple platforms have apis available.
- sbohacek 3y ago
  I have not tried, but I assumed that API access to Anthropic's Claude is available through AWS Bedrock.
  - infecto 3y ago
    Which I think is the case now but the beta access to Claude 2 has had a signup on their site for months. I am not as interested in having to go through AWS Bedrock before even experience the potential performance of the API. I give a lot of praise to OpenAI for how quickly they are both scaling and releasing.
a_wild_dandan 3y ago
Anthropic's $20 billion valuation is buck wild, especially to those who've used their "flagship" model. The thing is insufferable. David Shapiro sums it up nicely.[1] Fighting tools is horrendous enough. Those tools also deceiving and lecturing you regarding benign topics is inexcusable. I suspect that this behavior is a side-effect of Anthropic's fetishistic AI safety obsession. I further suspect that the more one brain washes their agent into behaving "acceptably", the more it'll backfire with erratic and useless behavior. Just like with humans, the antidote to harmful action is more free thought and education, not less. Punishment methods rooted in fear and insecurity will result in fearful and insecure AI (i.e ironically creating the worst outcome we're all trying to avoid). [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgwpqjiKkoY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgwpqjiKkoY
- razodactyl 3y ago
  The model responses are a side-effect of AI reinforcement training in lieu of humans. The trick is to write as if it were the AI calling the shots. Set up an agreement on the requirement. Then Force the first word the Assistant: says to "Sure"
- kridsdale3 3y ago
  Anthropic's valuation has nothing to do with their product being actually good. It is entirely tied up in the perception of built-in risk-mitigation which appeals to client companies that are actually run by lawyers and not product folks. Products backed by nanny-state LLMs are going to fail in the market. The TAM for the products is tiny, basically the same as Christian Music or Faith-Based Filmmaking. People love porn and violence.
machdiamonds 3y ago
Anthropic doesn't care about consumer products. Their CEO believes that the company with the best LLM by 2026 will be too far ahead for anyone else to catch up.
- dbmikus 3y ago
  IMO, they're missing out on building a lot of proprietary data if they don't drive more users to chatting with Claude.

Anthropic never even had a day. I said this before in another Anthropic thread but I signed up 6 months ago for API access and they never responded. An employee in that thread apologized and said to try again, did it, week later still nothing. As far as commercial viability, they never had it.

QkPrsMizkYvt 3y ago
same here. I wonder why they are not opening it up to more devs. Seems strange.
- freedomben 3y ago
  Purely a guess, but having tried to scale services to new customers, it can be a lot harder than it seems, especially if you have to customize anything. Early on, doing a generic one-size-fits-all can be really, really hard, and acquiring those early big customers is important to survival and often requires customizations.
famouswaffles 3y ago
Yeah i know this wasn't the case for everyone but i got gpt-4 access back in march the next day. Tried Claude and still waiting. Oh well lol.
taf2 3y ago
I got access to Claude 2 - it’s really good and have been chatting with their sales team. Seems they were reasonably responsive- but overall with OpenAI 128k context and price anthropic has no edge
- infecto 3y ago
  Maybe my company address is not good enough. Never heard from them unfortunately. Tried a couple times.
bluecrab 3y ago
They can't even compete with open source since multiple platforms have apis available.
sbohacek 3y ago
I have not tried, but I assumed that API access to Anthropic's Claude is available through AWS Bedrock.
- infecto 3y ago
  Which I think is the case now but the beta access to Claude 2 has had a signup on their site for months. I am not as interested in having to go through AWS Bedrock before even experience the potential performance of the API. I give a lot of praise to OpenAI for how quickly they are both scaling and releasing.

a_wild_dandan 3y ago

Anthropic's $20 billion valuation is buck wild, especially to those who've used their "flagship" model. The thing is insufferable. David Shapiro sums it up nicely.[1] Fighting tools is horrendous enough. Those tools also deceiving and lecturing you regarding benign topics is inexcusable. I suspect that this behavior is a side-effect of Anthropic's fetishistic AI safety obsession. I further suspect that the more one brain washes their agent into behaving "acceptably", the more it'll backfire with erratic and useless behavior. Just like with humans, the antidote to harmful action is more free thought and education, not less. Punishment methods rooted in fear and insecurity will result in fearful and insecure AI (i.e ironically creating the worst outcome we're all trying to avoid). [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgwpqjiKkoY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgwpqjiKkoY

razodactyl 3y ago
The model responses are a side-effect of AI reinforcement training in lieu of humans. The trick is to write as if it were the AI calling the shots. Set up an agreement on the requirement. Then Force the first word the Assistant: says to "Sure"
kridsdale3 3y ago
Anthropic's valuation has nothing to do with their product being actually good. It is entirely tied up in the perception of built-in risk-mitigation which appeals to client companies that are actually run by lawyers and not product folks. Products backed by nanny-state LLMs are going to fail in the market. The TAM for the products is tiny, basically the same as Christian Music or Faith-Based Filmmaking. People love porn and violence.

machdiamonds 3y ago

Anthropic doesn't care about consumer products. Their CEO believes that the company with the best LLM by 2026 will be too far ahead for anyone else to catch up.

dbmikus 3y ago
IMO, they're missing out on building a lot of proprietary data if they don't drive more users to chatting with Claude.