Except the difference was Grove vs Olsen. Both were engineers, both built great hardware, but Grove feared his competitors and his customers' fickleness while

Except the difference was Grove vs Olsen. Both were engineers, both built great hardware, but Grove feared his competitors and his customers' fickleness while Olsen was about beating / carving off business from IBM. In the early 80s I moved from the MIT/128 ecosystem to the Stanford/101 ecosystem and even to my business-ignorant eyes (I was still in research at the time) and though I didn't understand why for years, it was like night and day.