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>"enemy powers" Do you trade with the enemy? That's a traitor's domain. Or they're rather competitors you are not happy with and scared that they beat you at t

by FpUser 3y ago

>"enemy powers" Do you trade with the enemy? That's a traitor's domain. Or they're rather competitors you are not happy with and scared that they beat you at the game? Get off you butt and do something productive then.

mschuster91 3y ago
> Do you trade with the enemy? That's a traitor's domain. Or they're rather competitors you are not happy with and scared that they beat you at the game? Both can be true at the same time, e.g. Europe buying gas and oil from Russia. Realpolitik is often very messy to navigate, not made easier by the fact that we have collectively decided to tie our fates to Russia (for cheap energy) and China (for cheap production) and that decision is coming back home with a vengeance. If you are looking for traitors, start with those who thought "change by trade" in the 90s/early 00s was a good idea - and check their paychecks. At least here in Germany, we know that disgraced former Chancellor Schröder is a Russian asset (literally, he got a high-paid job for Rosneft, most likely as a thank-you for pushing through Nord Stream), unfortunately he was clever enough to never implicate himself in a criminally chargeable manner.
- kragen 3y ago
  moscow is literally in europe
  - photonbeam 3y ago
    The majority of russia isnt tho
    - kragen 3y ago
      unless you count by population instead of tundra area or something by population it is
  - kps 3y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metonymy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metonymy
- FpUser 3y ago
  >"unfortunately he was clever enough to never implicate himself in a criminally chargeable manner." This just confirms that they were not enemies. Enemies want to exterminate each other. And trading with the official enemy is a crime last time I checked. I do not think Germany or Russia wanted that. They're neither friends nor enemies, both just looking how to exploit each other.

by FpUser 3y ago

mschuster91 3y ago

> Do you trade with the enemy? That's a traitor's domain. Or they're rather competitors you are not happy with and scared that they beat you at the game? Both can be true at the same time, e.g. Europe buying gas and oil from Russia. Realpolitik is often very messy to navigate, not made easier by the fact that we have collectively decided to tie our fates to Russia (for cheap energy) and China (for cheap production) and that decision is coming back home with a vengeance. If you are looking for traitors, start with those who thought "change by trade" in the 90s/early 00s was a good idea - and check their paychecks. At least here in Germany, we know that disgraced former Chancellor Schröder is a Russian asset (literally, he got a high-paid job for Rosneft, most likely as a thank-you for pushing through Nord Stream), unfortunately he was clever enough to never implicate himself in a criminally chargeable manner.

kragen 3y ago
moscow is literally in europe
- photonbeam 3y ago
  The majority of russia isnt tho
  - kragen 3y ago
    unless you count by population instead of tundra area or something by population it is
- kps 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metonymy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metonymy
FpUser 3y ago
>"unfortunately he was clever enough to never implicate himself in a criminally chargeable manner." This just confirms that they were not enemies. Enemies want to exterminate each other. And trading with the official enemy is a crime last time I checked. I do not think Germany or Russia wanted that. They're neither friends nor enemies, both just looking how to exploit each other.