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Every time Elm comes up people climb out of the woodwork to cast aspersions on it for no better reason than that Evan wants to run his project his way. Some pe

Every time Elm comes up people climb out of the woodwork to cast aspersions on it for no better reason than that Evan wants to run his project his way. Some people evidently just can't accept that and have sustained a grudge that drives them to comment on it whenever it comes up. Look, I get it, I'm still sore about Google Feed Reader, 'member that? But enough is enough. It's old news. Get over it. Etc. It's like if every time someone mentioned Caddy server there was someone bringing up that time Matt Holt put that header in and pissed off a bunch of people. Life goes on. We forgive and let things go. It's high time for folks to forgive Evan for his mistakes. I mean, he's very young still, eh? Cut the guy some slack already?

hu3 3y ago
Again, the things I read are not personal, grudges or inability to accept someone's personal choices. For starters, you write his name more than anyone else here. You're not doing him any favor specially when it comes to Streisand Effect. When I propose a tool to my CTO I couldn't care less about the project's leadership personal choices. Mature engineers think in terms of ROI, dependability, bus factor, predictability, funding, mind-share, hiring ease, license, etc. But it would be naive and unprofessional of me to handwave technical issues with the tools. And ALL tools have hard edges and undesirable characteristics. And putting a header in a HTTP server is not proportional as restricting who can change the source code of a compiler. Matt Holt is awesome btw. And so is Elm author.
_svoh 3y ago
Evan wants to control the technology. That's a management decision that makes it unfit for purpose. This is a legitimate criticism that had long ranging impacts. I have seen no reason, no commitment from the management side, to believe this won't happen again. It is worth bringing up when there are similar alternatives without such a spotted history of lockdown and control issues from management. I know nothing about the fellow. This is not personal.

hu3 3y ago

Again, the things I read are not personal, grudges or inability to accept someone's personal choices. For starters, you write his name more than anyone else here. You're not doing him any favor specially when it comes to Streisand Effect. When I propose a tool to my CTO I couldn't care less about the project's leadership personal choices. Mature engineers think in terms of ROI, dependability, bus factor, predictability, funding, mind-share, hiring ease, license, etc. But it would be naive and unprofessional of me to handwave technical issues with the tools. And ALL tools have hard edges and undesirable characteristics. And putting a header in a HTTP server is not proportional as restricting who can change the source code of a compiler. Matt Holt is awesome btw. And so is Elm author.

_svoh 3y ago

Evan wants to control the technology. That's a management decision that makes it unfit for purpose. This is a legitimate criticism that had long ranging impacts. I have seen no reason, no commitment from the management side, to believe this won't happen again. It is worth bringing up when there are similar alternatives without such a spotted history of lockdown and control issues from management. I know nothing about the fellow. This is not personal.