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foxyv's comment is much closer to how my friends feel about the world than the convenient list of conservative talking points presented in the article.

dingnuts 3y ago
Jon Haidt is a conservative now?? good lord, if that is what you think you must be so far left that anybody to the right of Stalin is a Republican. Jon Haidt is about as even-tempered and desiring of reconciliation as anybody out there. We could all stand to be a little more like him. Please, talk to the people in your lives about politics, or the polarization will only continue to intensify. Common ground is found through dialog, not through cutting everyone in your life out because they fall to one side or another of an arbitrary ideological goalpost that you've decided is the critical opinion everyone needs to agree with in order to be blessed with your presence. I say this because Jon Haidt started this website, among other things: https://civilpolitics.org https://civilpolitics.org If Haidt and those like him are getting lumped in with the MAGA election-denying types, we're all screwed.
- vore 3y ago
  Are these not literally a laundry list of conservative talking points? And, by the way, you can be conservative without being MAGA. Love — “Monogamy is so outdated.” Community — “I have enough friends online.” Country — “I’m embarrassed to be an American.” Work — “I’m quiet-quitting.” Family — “I’m not bringing kids into this melting world.” Faith — “My parents are such naive Bible thumpers. By the way, what’s your star sign?”
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    Quiet-quitting is a conservative value? I thought the conservative value was that hard work and having dedication to your employer is the way to get ahead in life. That's what conservatives have always told me. And you certainly don't have to be a conservative to become dissatisfied with internet dating. It genuinely sucks for a lot of people who just want to find somebody who understands them. Getting your dick sucked is great but wanting something more than that doesn't intrinsically make you a conservative. I think you're just seeing what you want to see. These are the kind of things anybody with liberal or progressive political opinions can find themselves feeling.
    - vore 3y ago
      Did you read this backwards? These are examples given in the article of society’s alleged ills. Having the entire grab bag of them listed like this is undeniably conservative.
      - mcpackieh 3y ago
        It's a list of things young people are dissatisfied with. They're dissatisfied with work and don't believe they can get ahead by working harder. They're dissatisfy with app dating and don't believe they can find lasting happiness with it. These are not conservative concerns; they're anybody concerns. > Having [an] entire grab bag of [concerns] listed like this is undeniably conservative. Ridiculous. Anybody who has multiple concerns in their life will have a list of concerns. Articulating this isn't a conservative trait, it's just basic self reflection. If you don't have a list of concerns with your own life then you're obviously doing very well. But just because you can't relate to people who's lives aren't as great as yours doesn't mean those people are conservative. (You see I swapped out "the" with "an". Because that list is not The entire grab bag of characteristically conservative concerns. There's no mention of immigration, guns, abortion, voter IDs, crime rates, fear of carbon taxes and corporate regulations, drag-queen story hours, critical theory and progressive school teaches or really anything like any of that. It's clearly not "The" list of conservative concerns. You're characterizing it that way because that's what you want to see for some reason. Maybe you tripped over the mention of religion, but if you put stereotypes aside and look at public opinion polling, you will find that religion in America is largely bipartisan. Even the denominations that lean strongly one way still have millions of adherents who lean the other, e.g. 28% of evangelical protestants who lean Democrat. 55% of American Democrats report that their belief in God is absolutely certain and an additional 21% say their belief is fairly certain.)
        vore 3y ago
        I think you're just seeing what you want to see.
        3y ago
- mintplant 3y ago
  You've made a lot of assumptions about my personal life from a single sentence.
- 303uru 3y ago
  You're the one lumping traditional conservative with MAGA types. And yes, many of these talking points are traditional conservative as is your appeal to "even tempered reconciliation" which is classic stop fighting and just accept my conservatism talk.
- mikestew 3y ago
  Jon Haidt is a conservative now?? <snip> If Haidt and those like him are getting lumped in with the MAGA election-denying types, we're all screwed. There's only one person that I see in this branch of comments trying to lump Haidt in with the MAGA-hat-wearers. One can be a conservative without a red hat. To put it another way, what, you're going to argue that Haidt is progressive? It doesn't take much of a glance at the URL you listed to determine that just isn't the case.
brightball 3y ago
Every item on that list is popularized online and is definitely not uniform across the country. I live in a low cost of living area, that's car dependent. Yes, houses are expensive because _everybody_ is moving to these areas and there's construction everywhere. House prices went up here because so many people started fleeing dense areas when remote opportunities became common. But even 2 miles from my current house you can get a big 3 bedroom apartment for about $900 / month in a good location. Get 2 roommates and your rent is $300 / month. But the flip side of this should be cause and effect. If people are leaving other areas in higher numbers then there should be deals in those areas.
- xboxnolifes 3y ago
  > If people are leaving other areas in higher numbers then there should be deals in those areas. Only if people are leaving for reasons other than housing availability.
  - brightball 3y ago
    The people dropping $700,000-$1,000,000 on a house in this area aren't doing it for housing availability.
maxdoop 3y ago
Can we not ruin HN with political stuff and claims like this?

dingnuts 3y ago

Jon Haidt is a conservative now?? good lord, if that is what you think you must be so far left that anybody to the right of Stalin is a Republican. Jon Haidt is about as even-tempered and desiring of reconciliation as anybody out there. We could all stand to be a little more like him. Please, talk to the people in your lives about politics, or the polarization will only continue to intensify. Common ground is found through dialog, not through cutting everyone in your life out because they fall to one side or another of an arbitrary ideological goalpost that you've decided is the critical opinion everyone needs to agree with in order to be blessed with your presence. I say this because Jon Haidt started this website, among other things: https://civilpolitics.org https://civilpolitics.org If Haidt and those like him are getting lumped in with the MAGA election-denying types, we're all screwed.

vore 3y ago
Are these not literally a laundry list of conservative talking points? And, by the way, you can be conservative without being MAGA. Love — “Monogamy is so outdated.” Community — “I have enough friends online.” Country — “I’m embarrassed to be an American.” Work — “I’m quiet-quitting.” Family — “I’m not bringing kids into this melting world.” Faith — “My parents are such naive Bible thumpers. By the way, what’s your star sign?”
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  Quiet-quitting is a conservative value? I thought the conservative value was that hard work and having dedication to your employer is the way to get ahead in life. That's what conservatives have always told me. And you certainly don't have to be a conservative to become dissatisfied with internet dating. It genuinely sucks for a lot of people who just want to find somebody who understands them. Getting your dick sucked is great but wanting something more than that doesn't intrinsically make you a conservative. I think you're just seeing what you want to see. These are the kind of things anybody with liberal or progressive political opinions can find themselves feeling.
  - vore 3y ago
    Did you read this backwards? These are examples given in the article of society’s alleged ills. Having the entire grab bag of them listed like this is undeniably conservative.
    - mcpackieh 3y ago
      It's a list of things young people are dissatisfied with. They're dissatisfied with work and don't believe they can get ahead by working harder. They're dissatisfy with app dating and don't believe they can find lasting happiness with it. These are not conservative concerns; they're anybody concerns. > Having [an] entire grab bag of [concerns] listed like this is undeniably conservative. Ridiculous. Anybody who has multiple concerns in their life will have a list of concerns. Articulating this isn't a conservative trait, it's just basic self reflection. If you don't have a list of concerns with your own life then you're obviously doing very well. But just because you can't relate to people who's lives aren't as great as yours doesn't mean those people are conservative. (You see I swapped out "the" with "an". Because that list is not The entire grab bag of characteristically conservative concerns. There's no mention of immigration, guns, abortion, voter IDs, crime rates, fear of carbon taxes and corporate regulations, drag-queen story hours, critical theory and progressive school teaches or really anything like any of that. It's clearly not "The" list of conservative concerns. You're characterizing it that way because that's what you want to see for some reason. Maybe you tripped over the mention of religion, but if you put stereotypes aside and look at public opinion polling, you will find that religion in America is largely bipartisan. Even the denominations that lean strongly one way still have millions of adherents who lean the other, e.g. 28% of evangelical protestants who lean Democrat. 55% of American Democrats report that their belief in God is absolutely certain and an additional 21% say their belief is fairly certain.)
      - vore 3y ago
        I think you're just seeing what you want to see.
        3y ago
mintplant 3y ago
You've made a lot of assumptions about my personal life from a single sentence.
303uru 3y ago
You're the one lumping traditional conservative with MAGA types. And yes, many of these talking points are traditional conservative as is your appeal to "even tempered reconciliation" which is classic stop fighting and just accept my conservatism talk.
mikestew 3y ago
Jon Haidt is a conservative now?? <snip> If Haidt and those like him are getting lumped in with the MAGA election-denying types, we're all screwed. There's only one person that I see in this branch of comments trying to lump Haidt in with the MAGA-hat-wearers. One can be a conservative without a red hat. To put it another way, what, you're going to argue that Haidt is progressive? It doesn't take much of a glance at the URL you listed to determine that just isn't the case.

brightball 3y ago

Every item on that list is popularized online and is definitely not uniform across the country. I live in a low cost of living area, that's car dependent. Yes, houses are expensive because _everybody_ is moving to these areas and there's construction everywhere. House prices went up here because so many people started fleeing dense areas when remote opportunities became common. But even 2 miles from my current house you can get a big 3 bedroom apartment for about $900 / month in a good location. Get 2 roommates and your rent is $300 / month. But the flip side of this should be cause and effect. If people are leaving other areas in higher numbers then there should be deals in those areas.

xboxnolifes 3y ago
> If people are leaving other areas in higher numbers then there should be deals in those areas. Only if people are leaving for reasons other than housing availability.
- brightball 3y ago
  The people dropping $700,000-$1,000,000 on a house in this area aren't doing it for housing availability.

maxdoop 3y ago

Can we not ruin HN with political stuff and claims like this?