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Actions speak louder than words - Apple is letting it's developers know what it thinks of them. You're going to have to raise quite the ruckus to get them to c

Actions speak louder than words - Apple is letting it's developers know what it thinks of them. You're going to have to raise quite the ruckus to get them to change their behavior. There's really no impetus for them to change when they're sitting on a mountain of cash.

omnicognate 3y ago
I never thought I'd wistfully look back on Steve Ballmer yelling DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!!! Apple seem to view external developers as a kind of infestation. The systems and processes they subject them to seem designed to actively discourage them.
- kyriakos 3y ago
  Stockholm syndrome with a hint of masochism. App developers seem to stick with apple regardless of what they are being subjected to.
  - CamperBob2 3y ago
    When the bank robbers share their loot with the hostages, Stockholm Syndrome can't be too surprising.
  - latexr 3y ago
    > App developers seem to stick with apple regardless of what they are being subjected to. Because the alternatives aren’t preferable. The indies who have been exclusively using and developing for Apple platforms for years know that Windows and Linux aren’t better¹, just a different set of annoying trade offs. Apple platforms aren’t perfect, but they are the least bad option in that context. They also used to be better in many regards, which makes the situation frustrating due to the wasted potential. ¹ At a personal preference level. There’s no judgement either way, you do you and use whatever you like best.
    - smoldesu 3y ago
      For my money, the thing that stops me from dailying a Mac again is the amount of trust Apple demands from you nowadays. Older Macs are really cozy, even up through Yosemite in my opinion. After a certain point though, you could feel the focus shift from onboard utility to metered service. iTunes became Apple Music, the black "AppleTV" logo popped up on my dock, and iCloud pitched a tent in my Settings menu to beg for change. None of this really appeals to me; it's engineered to make the common user happy for a nominal fee, but to everyone else it's just annoying. Little UX warts like that popped up all over MacOS, and it really started to evoke those "Windows 8 Armageddon" vibes I felt a while back. For Apple to correct course, they should ditch the ads and focus on superpowering MacOS and iOS. Right now it's hard for me to trust that Apple is giving me the best of all worlds.
  - realusername 3y ago
    It's the same with users as well, the keyboard of my iPhone's wife is freezing randomly during 3s but she still puts up with it and will not say a word against it. I gave up on mine personally after the app installs were impossible due to some modal error in loops. I'm not sure how they managed to do it but they are very strong on the marketing side, I'll admit that.
- bogwog 3y ago
  I always find it funny to see Apple pushing for tech education when it's well known that Apple despises developers. Please teach your kids computer science so we can treat them like shit and/or exploit them! They used to (or still do?) have coding courses for kids at Apple stores, they have free learn to code resources (https://developer.apple.com/learn/ https://developer.apple.com/learn/), probably some more programs I'm not familiar with.
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- travoc 3y ago
  To be fair, the app store is already infested with apps and ad networks that push deceptive alerts that attempt to mislead users into installing unwanted/unneeded apps.
- mikestew 3y ago
  I never understood why Ballmer took so much flack for that. Which platform would you rather write code for, the one one with a sweaty representative going on about how much the company loves the people who write code for their platform, or the one that doesn't even try to conceal its contempt for you, the developer?
  - iudqnolq 3y ago
    Dear Board, I don’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member. Sincerely yours, Groucho Marx.

omnicognate 3y ago

I never thought I'd wistfully look back on Steve Ballmer yelling DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!!! Apple seem to view external developers as a kind of infestation. The systems and processes they subject them to seem designed to actively discourage them.

kyriakos 3y ago
Stockholm syndrome with a hint of masochism. App developers seem to stick with apple regardless of what they are being subjected to.
- CamperBob2 3y ago
  When the bank robbers share their loot with the hostages, Stockholm Syndrome can't be too surprising.
- latexr 3y ago
  > App developers seem to stick with apple regardless of what they are being subjected to. Because the alternatives aren’t preferable. The indies who have been exclusively using and developing for Apple platforms for years know that Windows and Linux aren’t better¹, just a different set of annoying trade offs. Apple platforms aren’t perfect, but they are the least bad option in that context. They also used to be better in many regards, which makes the situation frustrating due to the wasted potential. ¹ At a personal preference level. There’s no judgement either way, you do you and use whatever you like best.
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    For my money, the thing that stops me from dailying a Mac again is the amount of trust Apple demands from you nowadays. Older Macs are really cozy, even up through Yosemite in my opinion. After a certain point though, you could feel the focus shift from onboard utility to metered service. iTunes became Apple Music, the black "AppleTV" logo popped up on my dock, and iCloud pitched a tent in my Settings menu to beg for change. None of this really appeals to me; it's engineered to make the common user happy for a nominal fee, but to everyone else it's just annoying. Little UX warts like that popped up all over MacOS, and it really started to evoke those "Windows 8 Armageddon" vibes I felt a while back. For Apple to correct course, they should ditch the ads and focus on superpowering MacOS and iOS. Right now it's hard for me to trust that Apple is giving me the best of all worlds.
- realusername 3y ago
  It's the same with users as well, the keyboard of my iPhone's wife is freezing randomly during 3s but she still puts up with it and will not say a word against it. I gave up on mine personally after the app installs were impossible due to some modal error in loops. I'm not sure how they managed to do it but they are very strong on the marketing side, I'll admit that.
bogwog 3y ago
I always find it funny to see Apple pushing for tech education when it's well known that Apple despises developers. Please teach your kids computer science so we can treat them like shit and/or exploit them! They used to (or still do?) have coding courses for kids at Apple stores, they have free learn to code resources (https://developer.apple.com/learn/ https://developer.apple.com/learn/), probably some more programs I'm not familiar with.
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travoc 3y ago
To be fair, the app store is already infested with apps and ad networks that push deceptive alerts that attempt to mislead users into installing unwanted/unneeded apps.
mikestew 3y ago
I never understood why Ballmer took so much flack for that. Which platform would you rather write code for, the one one with a sweaty representative going on about how much the company loves the people who write code for their platform, or the one that doesn't even try to conceal its contempt for you, the developer?
- iudqnolq 3y ago
  Dear Board, I don’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member. Sincerely yours, Groucho Marx.