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All models are wrong. Some are useful. There are, in fact, many establishments that are frighteningly efficient at devoting time, money and effort into manipul
by 10000truths 3y ago
All models are wrong. Some are useful.
There are, in fact, many establishments that are frighteningly efficient at devoting time, money and effort into manipulating people. But those establishments are ultimately guided by people, too. And those people are fallible creatures, just as prone to vagaries of ideological fashion and lapses in rational thought as those who ushered the events of January 6. Even the juggernauts make missteps. It does not diminish the empiricism of Chomsky's ideas.
The phenomenon you describe transcends notions of class, race, and and so on: over lifetime timescales, a group of people is a chaotic and unpredictable system, replete with knock on effects, where any actor or interest, no matter how fringe, has the potential to dominate. And while one can apply basic sociological principles to anticipate some short-term behaviors, it stands to reason that no amount of cold calculation or meticulous planning (by governments, media, elites, or otherwise) is immune to the simple fact that the course of any given organization is extremely difficult to consistently predict.
- mjburgess 3y agoYes, exactly. The problem with chomsky's model is how it manipulates the landscape of our analysis, how it introduces paranoia into our perception of the media. This is, I think, a serious pathology and a serious flaw -- though, for Chomsky, it's the mood he wants you to be in.. since he has a bridge to sell you. A real political science here has to explicitly engage with this chaos -- has to model society as the irreducibly complex system that it is. Theories here arent neutral: they modify the very thing being described.
- standardly 3y agoHonest question. Have you read Manufacturing Consent?
- mjburgess 3y agoYes, but at 18 or 19.
- standardly 3y agoOk. That still counts. I disagree, but if you in fact read his work then you are totally entitled to that opinion. I was prepared to call you out for having not read it, though.