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As a protest, I’ve considered creating a browser plugin that takes the TOS and removes arbitration clause, e-signs it and PDFs it. Then posts it to the “agree”

As a protest, I’ve considered creating a browser plugin that takes the TOS and removes arbitration clause, e-signs it and PDFs it. Then posts it to the “agree” endpoint in addition to other form attributes and emails a copy to legal@BigCo. Basically automating the Dmitry Agarkov approach. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/russian-rewrites-credit-agreement-sues-bank_n_3728105 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/russian-rewrites-credit-agree...

sschueller 3y ago
Sadly the "agree endpoint" is usually a checkbox.
- gghffguhvc 3y ago
  “Agree” endpoint in quotes as it is whatever form that checkbox is in.
  - sschueller 3y ago
    yes but that form will most likely not accept a PDF file that it didn't except in the first place.
    - tremon 3y ago
      It it responds with a 2xx HTTP status code, it accepted the PDF. If the accept is handled purely in client-side javascript, the other party can never prove that you accepted the terms.
      - FFP999 3y ago
        Good luck with that argument in court though.
        gghffguhvc 3y ago
        The point is that it is a protest. By emailing bigcorp’s legal team will waste a small amount of their time. Especially if it “sincerely” thanks them for accepting your altered terms of service and shares some screenshots of the 200 response etc. doesn’t have to mention what was altered. Then references Dmitry Agarkov. V2 could use rocketreach to find individual lawyers at bigco and mail each individually with slightly different messages to create more confusion.
        FFP999 3y ago
        Well, perhaps. I'm skeptical that this would have any practical effect, but I would definitely love to be proven wrong on this.
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        JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > By emailing bigcorp’s legal team will waste a small amount of their time The plugin developer is more likely to be sued than any company lose material amounts of money. That or one would just ignore requests matching that form. > V2 could use rocketreach to find individual lawyers at bigco and mail each individually with slightly different messages to create more confusion This is intentionally generating frivolous requests with the intent of causing damage. You’ve escalated from civil to possible criminal liability. Individually doing something like this is fine. But you have to do it with the intent of resolving an issue. Not causing damage.
        gghffguhvc 3y ago
        “Mailito:” so the email(s) come from the end user. Anyway, just a thought experiment. Most protests achieve nothing. Likely wouldn’t get approved by browser vendors.
        3y ago
m463 3y ago
I believe california residents have a limited time period after an agreement to opt-out of binding arbitration. So for california, you might just create a post-contract arbitration letter.

sschueller 3y ago

Sadly the "agree endpoint" is usually a checkbox.

gghffguhvc 3y ago
“Agree” endpoint in quotes as it is whatever form that checkbox is in.
- sschueller 3y ago
  yes but that form will most likely not accept a PDF file that it didn't except in the first place.
  - tremon 3y ago
    It it responds with a 2xx HTTP status code, it accepted the PDF. If the accept is handled purely in client-side javascript, the other party can never prove that you accepted the terms.
    - FFP999 3y ago
      Good luck with that argument in court though.
      - gghffguhvc 3y ago
        The point is that it is a protest. By emailing bigcorp’s legal team will waste a small amount of their time. Especially if it “sincerely” thanks them for accepting your altered terms of service and shares some screenshots of the 200 response etc. doesn’t have to mention what was altered. Then references Dmitry Agarkov. V2 could use rocketreach to find individual lawyers at bigco and mail each individually with slightly different messages to create more confusion.
        FFP999 3y ago
        Well, perhaps. I'm skeptical that this would have any practical effect, but I would definitely love to be proven wrong on this.
        deleted 3y ago
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        JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > By emailing bigcorp’s legal team will waste a small amount of their time The plugin developer is more likely to be sued than any company lose material amounts of money. That or one would just ignore requests matching that form. > V2 could use rocketreach to find individual lawyers at bigco and mail each individually with slightly different messages to create more confusion This is intentionally generating frivolous requests with the intent of causing damage. You’ve escalated from civil to possible criminal liability. Individually doing something like this is fine. But you have to do it with the intent of resolving an issue. Not causing damage.
        gghffguhvc 3y ago
        “Mailito:” so the email(s) come from the end user. Anyway, just a thought experiment. Most protests achieve nothing. Likely wouldn’t get approved by browser vendors.
        3y ago

m463 3y ago

I believe california residents have a limited time period after an agreement to opt-out of binding arbitration. So for california, you might just create a post-contract arbitration letter.