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>if citizens, arrested for hate speech and sent to mandatory education courses You mean "camps", right? Now I don't know if you're joking or not.

sofixa 3y ago
Hate speech and inciting violence are already crimes. Better to make their time in detention useful by helping them understand people of different religions are people too and everyone deserves to live instead of just locking them up leaving the underlying problems of lack of education to fester.
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  The other poster tried to ask you if you were joking or not, but from your writing it really seems you are not joking. I understand that you feel a rush of power when you are imagining how you will forcefully send disagreeable people to camps to have their thinking eradicated, and I know you think that everybody agrees with you and that those who don't also needs to be sent to the camps. But you really only come off as an extremist, and your power trip and sending people to camps will always just be a fantasy in your own little world. Remember that.
  - sofixa 3y ago
    No, I'm not joking. Hate speech is a crime in Germany and where I live, and I agree with that. Alongside that, educating prisoners is a good thing. Educating them on why they're wrong is even better because it prevents recidivism. > I know you think that everybody agrees with you Of course not. Many people don't see the issues with hate speech of these types and proportions. Some think any type of speech is acceptable, and I disagree with that. > those who don't also needs to be sent to the camps Getting a little cartoonish, aren't we? Not in the slightest. This is a democracy, and there is rule of law. Criminal codes, including punishments and educational programs are decided by elected lawmakers.
    - carlosjobim 3y ago
      > Educating them on why they're wrong is even better because it prevents recidivism. I recommend this documentary for you to see what paths your thoughts lead down. Note that the methods were invented in Germany. https://youtu.be/3kIjYW5uIlw https://youtu.be/3kIjYW5uIlw
      - sofixa 3y ago
        There are existing educational programs for prisoners. In France they do theatre and even have collaboration programs with universities. Building on top of that to add a Holocaust survivor or an SS guard tell their story, alongside a few history lessons, is not torture. You really need to think why did you jump to fucking Guantanamo when talking about educating prisoners. You might be American and simply not know better humanity with your inhumane prison industrial complex, but not every country is the same. Most criminals deserve a second chance, and helping them get educated is probably giving them the best shot at that, while also benefiting the wider society by reducing recidivism. Also, neither torture nor concentration camps were invented in Germany.
        carlosjobim 3y ago
        Pardon me for jumping to conclusions, when you explicitly say that you want to put people in camps for mandatory re-education if they express certain opinions that doesn't align with the government's. I think I'm not the only one who remembers that this has already been done in Germany – among other places. Voluntary theatre courses and university studies was not the first thing I thought about when you were talking about "mandatory education courses", especially given that the reason why you want to put these people in prison or camps in the first place is for their opinions. > Also, neither torture nor concentration camps were invented in Germany. The documentary is about a specific form of brainwashing that they call "re-patterning", which was invented in Germany and then later widely spread throughout the world in the 20th century. The key point is that with forceful re-education you will achieve two things: 1. You will destroy innocent people's minds and their lives. 2. The bad guys will become even more strengthened in their resolve after they've been released. There is a long list here of people who were subject to US torture and brainwashing, who then probably returned to terrorist activity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_former_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees_alleged_to_have_returned_to_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_former_Guantanamo_Bay... That's the results of re-education, and that's one more reason why mandatory re-education shouldn't be put in practice.

sofixa 3y ago

Hate speech and inciting violence are already crimes. Better to make their time in detention useful by helping them understand people of different religions are people too and everyone deserves to live instead of just locking them up leaving the underlying problems of lack of education to fester.

carlosjobim 3y ago
The other poster tried to ask you if you were joking or not, but from your writing it really seems you are not joking. I understand that you feel a rush of power when you are imagining how you will forcefully send disagreeable people to camps to have their thinking eradicated, and I know you think that everybody agrees with you and that those who don't also needs to be sent to the camps. But you really only come off as an extremist, and your power trip and sending people to camps will always just be a fantasy in your own little world. Remember that.
- sofixa 3y ago
  No, I'm not joking. Hate speech is a crime in Germany and where I live, and I agree with that. Alongside that, educating prisoners is a good thing. Educating them on why they're wrong is even better because it prevents recidivism. > I know you think that everybody agrees with you Of course not. Many people don't see the issues with hate speech of these types and proportions. Some think any type of speech is acceptable, and I disagree with that. > those who don't also needs to be sent to the camps Getting a little cartoonish, aren't we? Not in the slightest. This is a democracy, and there is rule of law. Criminal codes, including punishments and educational programs are decided by elected lawmakers.
  - carlosjobim 3y ago
    > Educating them on why they're wrong is even better because it prevents recidivism. I recommend this documentary for you to see what paths your thoughts lead down. Note that the methods were invented in Germany. https://youtu.be/3kIjYW5uIlw https://youtu.be/3kIjYW5uIlw
    - sofixa 3y ago
      There are existing educational programs for prisoners. In France they do theatre and even have collaboration programs with universities. Building on top of that to add a Holocaust survivor or an SS guard tell their story, alongside a few history lessons, is not torture. You really need to think why did you jump to fucking Guantanamo when talking about educating prisoners. You might be American and simply not know better humanity with your inhumane prison industrial complex, but not every country is the same. Most criminals deserve a second chance, and helping them get educated is probably giving them the best shot at that, while also benefiting the wider society by reducing recidivism. Also, neither torture nor concentration camps were invented in Germany.
      - carlosjobim 3y ago
        Pardon me for jumping to conclusions, when you explicitly say that you want to put people in camps for mandatory re-education if they express certain opinions that doesn't align with the government's. I think I'm not the only one who remembers that this has already been done in Germany – among other places. Voluntary theatre courses and university studies was not the first thing I thought about when you were talking about "mandatory education courses", especially given that the reason why you want to put these people in prison or camps in the first place is for their opinions. > Also, neither torture nor concentration camps were invented in Germany. The documentary is about a specific form of brainwashing that they call "re-patterning", which was invented in Germany and then later widely spread throughout the world in the 20th century. The key point is that with forceful re-education you will achieve two things: 1. You will destroy innocent people's minds and their lives. 2. The bad guys will become even more strengthened in their resolve after they've been released. There is a long list here of people who were subject to US torture and brainwashing, who then probably returned to terrorist activity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_former_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees_alleged_to_have_returned_to_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_former_Guantanamo_Bay... That's the results of re-education, and that's one more reason why mandatory re-education shouldn't be put in practice.