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I sometime wonder if in the 25th century people will be searching for the exact location of Hogwarts from Harry Potter. To be fair, Troy was also mostly though

I sometime wonder if in the 25th century people will be searching for the exact location of Hogwarts from Harry Potter. To be fair, Troy was also mostly thought to be mystical before Heinrich Schliemann went on a quest to find it (and subsequently destroyed most of it as he used explosives to perform archeological digs).

abakker 3y ago
Evidence supports that it is, in fact, located just outside of Orlando, FL.
- some_random 3y ago
  Unfortunately it was mostly demolished by the explosives used to dig it up
- arethuza 3y ago
  Or on the banks of Loch Shiel in Scotland? [NB This is based on me recognising the landscape in some of the movies, apparently the books say it is near Dufftown - which is on the other side of Scotland]. I had also assumed it was the school on Lauriston Place in Edinburgh, but apparently that's definitely not true...
  - ggm 3y ago
    i.e. George Heriots
  - dboreham 3y ago
    Definitely is true. She also sent her own kids there.
    - arethuza 3y ago
      Apparently Rowling thought of Hogwarts before moving to Edinburgh - but it seems a bit of a coincidence that Heriots school is right next to the graveyard with Tom Riddle's grave: https://www.pottertour.co.uk/blog/george-heriots-school-harry-potter.html https://www.pottertour.co.uk/blog/george-heriots-school-harr... Mind you - I'm not really that big a Harry Potter fan but I did live in that part of Edinburgh for many years and my son went to Heriots after adventures at other schools...
- FFP999 3y ago
  "We know that they generally had good diplomatic relationships and there was a great deal of cross-border trade, but the historical record is still unclear about the exact relationship between the United States of America and the Magic Kingdom."
  - lapphi 3y ago
    The way things are going, history may see you as the Nostradamus of this century.
    - FFP999 3y ago
      I'll take it.
- adolph 3y ago
  Over drinks one night, Cardozo shared with Brosnan a short, somewhat cheeky passage in DeMille's 1959 autobiography in which the director cryptically confirmed the burial. The book's section reads: "If, 1,000 years from now, archaeologists happen to dig beneath the sands of Guadalupe, I hope they will not rush into print with the amazing news that Egyptian civilisation... extended all the way to the Pacific Coast of North America… The sphinxes they will find were buried there when we had finished with them." https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20230212-a-city-under-the-sand-the-lost-city-of-cecil-b-demille https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20230212-a-city-under-the...
FFP999 3y ago
FUTURE ARCHAEOLOGIST: "We've found what we believe to be the ruins of Platform 9 3/4." [gestures at ruins of Slough railway station]
hprotagonist 3y ago
The one i like is imagining some poor schnook of a grad student in 500 years writing a dissertation on “american pie” and the complex interrelationship of food culture and religion, and if the Jester in the song is the same as the joker that batman killed (or didn’t), and if so was he talking to the thief in the watchtower — and what really does that have to do with band camp?! https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2017/10/12/bye-bye-miss-american-pie/ https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2017/10/12/bye-bye...
moomin 3y ago
The funny thing is this has already happened. They erected a platform 9 3/4 at Kings Cross. The only problem being that a) it doesn’t even vaguely correspond to the description in the book and b) in fact, from the description it’s likely they were actually talking about old St Pancras station.
- whoopdedo 3y ago
  Well they couldn't put it in St. Pancras because that was already in use by former Norse gods waiting to get into Valhalla. https://www.scld.org/st-pancras-station-sparks-imaginations/ https://www.scld.org/st-pancras-station-sparks-imaginations/
- gpderetta 3y ago
  Life imitates art.
toyg 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/221B_Baker_Street https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/221B_Baker_Street Humans model their world on stories.
- contingencies 3y ago
  The scene opens on a world that appears totally primitive. People are naked, people are orgiastic, people are nomadic. But when they close their eyes there are menus hanging in space. Culture has been internalized. Culture is supposed to be internalized. All this talk about virtual reality - people don't seem to notice - this is a virtual reality. These are all ideas - ideas that have been forced into matter so that we could live in a reconstruction of our imagination. And de-constructing these virtual realities in which we live is the only way to get back to some sort of baseline of what it is to be human. - Terence McKenna
YeGoblynQueenne 3y ago
There's no reason to believe that what Evans found was the mythological Troy (note the "mythological"). Maybe it was the city called Wilusa by the Hittites, or maybe it wasn't, and maybe Wilusa was Troy ("Ilion") or maybe it wasn't. There's no way to know for sure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_the_Iliad#Hittite_evidence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_the_Iliad#Hitti... Homer certainly didn't give a super detailed description of Troy's location. The Iliad is an epic poem not a historical account. The Homeric Question is a debate almost as ancient as the Iliad, after all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeric_Question https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeric_Question As to Schleimann, he was certainly all too ready to "discover" elements of the Homeric epics. For example, "the mask of Agamemnon": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mask_of_Agamemnon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mask_of_Agamemnon Or "The Jewels of Helen": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priam%27s_Treasure#/media/File:Sophia_schliemann_treasure.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priam%27s_Treasure#/media/File...

abakker 3y ago

Evidence supports that it is, in fact, located just outside of Orlando, FL.

some_random 3y ago
Unfortunately it was mostly demolished by the explosives used to dig it up
arethuza 3y ago
Or on the banks of Loch Shiel in Scotland? [NB This is based on me recognising the landscape in some of the movies, apparently the books say it is near Dufftown - which is on the other side of Scotland]. I had also assumed it was the school on Lauriston Place in Edinburgh, but apparently that's definitely not true...
- ggm 3y ago
  i.e. George Heriots
- dboreham 3y ago
  Definitely is true. She also sent her own kids there.
  - arethuza 3y ago
    Apparently Rowling thought of Hogwarts before moving to Edinburgh - but it seems a bit of a coincidence that Heriots school is right next to the graveyard with Tom Riddle's grave: https://www.pottertour.co.uk/blog/george-heriots-school-harry-potter.html https://www.pottertour.co.uk/blog/george-heriots-school-harr... Mind you - I'm not really that big a Harry Potter fan but I did live in that part of Edinburgh for many years and my son went to Heriots after adventures at other schools...
FFP999 3y ago
"We know that they generally had good diplomatic relationships and there was a great deal of cross-border trade, but the historical record is still unclear about the exact relationship between the United States of America and the Magic Kingdom."
- lapphi 3y ago
  The way things are going, history may see you as the Nostradamus of this century.
  - FFP999 3y ago
    I'll take it.
adolph 3y ago
Over drinks one night, Cardozo shared with Brosnan a short, somewhat cheeky passage in DeMille's 1959 autobiography in which the director cryptically confirmed the burial. The book's section reads: "If, 1,000 years from now, archaeologists happen to dig beneath the sands of Guadalupe, I hope they will not rush into print with the amazing news that Egyptian civilisation... extended all the way to the Pacific Coast of North America… The sphinxes they will find were buried there when we had finished with them." https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20230212-a-city-under-the-sand-the-lost-city-of-cecil-b-demille https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20230212-a-city-under-the...

FFP999 3y ago

FUTURE ARCHAEOLOGIST: "We've found what we believe to be the ruins of Platform 9 3/4." [gestures at ruins of Slough railway station]

hprotagonist 3y ago

The one i like is imagining some poor schnook of a grad student in 500 years writing a dissertation on “american pie” and the complex interrelationship of food culture and religion, and if the Jester in the song is the same as the joker that batman killed (or didn’t), and if so was he talking to the thief in the watchtower — and what really does that have to do with band camp?! https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2017/10/12/bye-bye-miss-american-pie/ https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2017/10/12/bye-bye...

moomin 3y ago

The funny thing is this has already happened. They erected a platform 9 3/4 at Kings Cross. The only problem being that a) it doesn’t even vaguely correspond to the description in the book and b) in fact, from the description it’s likely they were actually talking about old St Pancras station.

whoopdedo 3y ago
Well they couldn't put it in St. Pancras because that was already in use by former Norse gods waiting to get into Valhalla. https://www.scld.org/st-pancras-station-sparks-imaginations/ https://www.scld.org/st-pancras-station-sparks-imaginations/
gpderetta 3y ago
Life imitates art.

toyg 3y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/221B_Baker_Street https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/221B_Baker_Street Humans model their world on stories.

contingencies 3y ago
The scene opens on a world that appears totally primitive. People are naked, people are orgiastic, people are nomadic. But when they close their eyes there are menus hanging in space. Culture has been internalized. Culture is supposed to be internalized. All this talk about virtual reality - people don't seem to notice - this is a virtual reality. These are all ideas - ideas that have been forced into matter so that we could live in a reconstruction of our imagination. And de-constructing these virtual realities in which we live is the only way to get back to some sort of baseline of what it is to be human. - Terence McKenna

YeGoblynQueenne 3y ago

There's no reason to believe that what Evans found was the mythological Troy (note the "mythological"). Maybe it was the city called Wilusa by the Hittites, or maybe it wasn't, and maybe Wilusa was Troy ("Ilion") or maybe it wasn't. There's no way to know for sure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_the_Iliad#Hittite_evidence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_the_Iliad#Hitti... Homer certainly didn't give a super detailed description of Troy's location. The Iliad is an epic poem not a historical account. The Homeric Question is a debate almost as ancient as the Iliad, after all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeric_Question https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeric_Question As to Schleimann, he was certainly all too ready to "discover" elements of the Homeric epics. For example, "the mask of Agamemnon": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mask_of_Agamemnon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mask_of_Agamemnon Or "The Jewels of Helen": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priam%27s_Treasure#/media/File:Sophia_schliemann_treasure.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priam%27s_Treasure#/media/File...