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> Which everyone does, no one in Israel wants a one-state solution That is absolutely bullshit. Netanyahu showed maps with Gaza included in Israel even at the
by sofixa 3y ago
> Which everyone does, no one in Israel wants a one-state solution
That is absolutely bullshit. Netanyahu showed maps with Gaza included in Israel even at the UN, and his coalition including many far right fringe figures actively and publicly advocate for the genocide / ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, encourage settlement in the West Bank and even go as far as publicly saying Gaza should be nuked. Many in Israel would be happy if Palestine stopped existing all together.
> whether they support Israel's right to exist.
That's where I differentiate between supporting Palestine's right to exist, and supporting Hamas which denies Israel's right to exist. Although you're right, one can dislike Hamas for religious or whatever reasons, but still agree with their mission and not support Israel's right to exist. But merely saying Palestine has the right to exist shouldn't elicit a response of "this is antisemitic and denying Israel has a right to exist" which it way too often does.
In any case, there are far more people supporting Palestine than Hamas. But sadly, there are people (like the crazies in Essen yesterday) who absolutely do support Hamas and hate everything Jewish and Israeli. They should be restricted severely (if refugees/migrants - expelled immediately; if citizens, arrested for hate speech and sent to mandatory education courses).
- mehlmao 3y agoWould supporting a secular single state be denying Israel's right to exist? Should I be deported for being opposed to any theocracy or ethnostate?
- zozbot234 3y agoA single secular state in the Middle East? Isn't that what Israel is already - the 'shining city on the hill' for that whole region of the world? If you're opposed to theocracies or ethnostates, I don't think you'll like any of the realistic prospects for the Palestinian territories.
- a-french-anon 3y ago>if citizens, arrested for hate speech and sent to mandatory education courses You mean "camps", right? Now I don't know if you're joking or not.
- sofixa 3y agoHate speech and inciting violence are already crimes. Better to make their time in detention useful by helping them understand people of different religions are people too and everyone deserves to live instead of just locking them up leaving the underlying problems of lack of education to fester.
- carlosjobim 3y agoThe other poster tried to ask you if you were joking or not, but from your writing it really seems you are not joking. I understand that you feel a rush of power when you are imagining how you will forcefully send disagreeable people to camps to have their thinking eradicated, and I know you think that everybody agrees with you and that those who don't also needs to be sent to the camps. But you really only come off as an extremist, and your power trip and sending people to camps will always just be a fantasy in your own little world. Remember that.
- sofixa 3y agoNo, I'm not joking. Hate speech is a crime in Germany and where I live, and I agree with that. Alongside that, educating prisoners is a good thing. Educating them on why they're wrong is even better because it prevents recidivism. > I know you think that everybody agrees with you Of course not. Many people don't see the issues with hate speech of these types and proportions. Some think any type of speech is acceptable, and I disagree with that. > those who don't also needs to be sent to the camps Getting a little cartoonish, aren't we? Not in the slightest. This is a democracy, and there is rule of law. Criminal codes, including punishments and educational programs are decided by elected lawmakers.
- carlosjobim 3y ago> Educating them on why they're wrong is even better because it prevents recidivism. I recommend this documentary for you to see what paths your thoughts lead down. Note that the methods were invented in Germany. https://youtu.be/3kIjYW5uIlw https://youtu.be/3kIjYW5uIlw