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Expressing support for Hamas is (usually) antisemitism and is indeed not encouraged in Germany. The fact that there have been multiple manifestations attended b
by sofixa 3y ago
Expressing support for Hamas is (usually) antisemitism and is indeed not encouraged in Germany. The fact that there have been multiple manifestations attended by thousands to tens of thousands in support of Palestine, sometimes going up to supporting Hamas and genocide seems to indicate that it's not blanket illegal, and there is actually a good reason why it should be illegal to support Hamas. After all, they're literally a terrorist group.
For the record, supporting Palestine's right to exist doesn't mean support of Hamas, and many Germans are totally able to express one without the other.
- zozbot234 3y agoThe relevant factor is not whether these demonstrators support Palestine's right to exist (Which everyone does, no one in Israel wants a one-state solution) but whether they support or acknowledge Israel's right to exist.
- sofixa 3y ago> Which everyone does, no one in Israel wants a one-state solution That is absolutely bullshit. Netanyahu showed maps with Gaza included in Israel even at the UN, and his coalition including many far right fringe figures actively and publicly advocate for the genocide / ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, encourage settlement in the West Bank and even go as far as publicly saying Gaza should be nuked. Many in Israel would be happy if Palestine stopped existing all together. > whether they support Israel's right to exist. That's where I differentiate between supporting Palestine's right to exist, and supporting Hamas which denies Israel's right to exist. Although you're right, one can dislike Hamas for religious or whatever reasons, but still agree with their mission and not support Israel's right to exist. But merely saying Palestine has the right to exist shouldn't elicit a response of "this is antisemitic and denying Israel has a right to exist" which it way too often does. In any case, there are far more people supporting Palestine than Hamas. But sadly, there are people (like the crazies in Essen yesterday) who absolutely do support Hamas and hate everything Jewish and Israeli. They should be restricted severely (if refugees/migrants - expelled immediately; if citizens, arrested for hate speech and sent to mandatory education courses).
- mehlmao 3y agoWould supporting a secular single state be denying Israel's right to exist? Should I be deported for being opposed to any theocracy or ethnostate?
- zozbot234 3y agoA single secular state in the Middle East? Isn't that what Israel is already - the 'shining city on the hill' for that whole region of the world? If you're opposed to theocracies or ethnostates, I don't think you'll like any of the realistic prospects for the Palestinian territories.
- a-french-anon 3y ago>if citizens, arrested for hate speech and sent to mandatory education courses You mean "camps", right? Now I don't know if you're joking or not.
- sofixa 3y agoHate speech and inciting violence are already crimes. Better to make their time in detention useful by helping them understand people of different religions are people too and everyone deserves to live instead of just locking them up leaving the underlying problems of lack of education to fester.
- carlosjobim 3y agoThe other poster tried to ask you if you were joking or not, but from your writing it really seems you are not joking. I understand that you feel a rush of power when you are imagining how you will forcefully send disagreeable people to camps to have their thinking eradicated, and I know you think that everybody agrees with you and that those who don't also needs to be sent to the camps. But you really only come off as an extremist, and your power trip and sending people to camps will always just be a fantasy in your own little world. Remember that.