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Wouldn't Google love it if paying became illegal for everyone? After all, if nobody could pay Apple for placement, Apple would probably choose Google, and Googl

Wouldn't Google love it if paying became illegal for everyone? After all, if nobody could pay Apple for placement, Apple would probably choose Google, and Google would save $20 billion per year.

r0fl 3y ago
Or Apple would build a search engine. Even if not as good as Google, it would not be good for Google gross revenue
barelyauser 3y ago
Why does Google currently pays Apple then? If Google could not pay then Apple would just push its own search products. Why choose Google if they don't benefit from it?
- parker_mountain 3y ago
  > Why does Google currently pays Apple then? Because Apple knows how to play hardball. > Why choose Google if they don't benefit from it? They benefit about $20B a year.
  - barelyauser 3y ago
    My comment was in response to the nonsensical logic of parent post, not about the current working logic of the industry. If paying was illegal then Apple has no reason to choose Google, as OP stated. Apple is incentivized to push its own search products.
- deleted 3y ago
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toyg 3y ago
Those $18bn Google pays to Apple are not meant to dissuade them from choosing alternatives, but to stop them creating their own - because why leave money on the table?
mrtksn 3y ago
Maybe Apple can make it too easy to try alternatives or build/purchase their own engine? Google is a horrible UX since some time and there are paid alternatives like paid engines and LLM’s with access to the internet. Maybe provide that with the paid iCloud subscription?
wrasee 3y ago
My hunch is that Apple might give users a choice, perhaps during the initial onboarding process. That would be damaging for Google even insofar as I would guess many users probably don’t even realise that there _is_ a choice. I doubt that Apple would want to give their competitor a free one-up in this space, so a choice for such a critical thing may be reasonable. Or, you know, a few billion dollars.
- RandomLensman 3y ago
  All my new android devices in the EU now asked my during setup what the default search engine should be.
Someone 3y ago
> Wouldn't Google love it if paying became illegal for everyone? It also would more or less be the end of Mozilla. Over half their income comes from Google. > After all, if nobody could pay Apple for placement, Apple would probably choose Google I think they’d add a ‘choose a search engine’ dialog at setup time, randomizing search order.
- johannes1234321 3y ago
  > It also would more or less be the end of Mozilla. Over half their income comes from Google. I for one would like to able to support Mozilla software development. However the only sensiblr way to sponsor is to the foundation with it's political initiatives or paying for VPN. I generally align with their political views, but support political activities via other orgs and explicitly want a browser and related software. For the VPN product however I have no need. There is the way to sponsor individual non-Mozilla people, but that's more complicated ...

Wouldn't Google love it if paying became illegal for everyone? After all, if nobody could pay Apple for placement, Apple would probably choose Google, and Google would save $20 billion per year.

r0fl 3y ago

Or Apple would build a search engine. Even if not as good as Google, it would not be good for Google gross revenue

barelyauser 3y ago

Why does Google currently pays Apple then? If Google could not pay then Apple would just push its own search products. Why choose Google if they don't benefit from it?

parker_mountain 3y ago
> Why does Google currently pays Apple then? Because Apple knows how to play hardball. > Why choose Google if they don't benefit from it? They benefit about $20B a year.
- barelyauser 3y ago
  My comment was in response to the nonsensical logic of parent post, not about the current working logic of the industry. If paying was illegal then Apple has no reason to choose Google, as OP stated. Apple is incentivized to push its own search products.
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toyg 3y ago

Those $18bn Google pays to Apple are not meant to dissuade them from choosing alternatives, but to stop them creating their own - because why leave money on the table?

mrtksn 3y ago

Maybe Apple can make it too easy to try alternatives or build/purchase their own engine? Google is a horrible UX since some time and there are paid alternatives like paid engines and LLM’s with access to the internet. Maybe provide that with the paid iCloud subscription?

wrasee 3y ago

My hunch is that Apple might give users a choice, perhaps during the initial onboarding process. That would be damaging for Google even insofar as I would guess many users probably don’t even realise that there _is_ a choice. I doubt that Apple would want to give their competitor a free one-up in this space, so a choice for such a critical thing may be reasonable. Or, you know, a few billion dollars.

RandomLensman 3y ago
All my new android devices in the EU now asked my during setup what the default search engine should be.

Someone 3y ago

> Wouldn't Google love it if paying became illegal for everyone? It also would more or less be the end of Mozilla. Over half their income comes from Google. > After all, if nobody could pay Apple for placement, Apple would probably choose Google I think they’d add a ‘choose a search engine’ dialog at setup time, randomizing search order.

johannes1234321 3y ago
> It also would more or less be the end of Mozilla. Over half their income comes from Google. I for one would like to able to support Mozilla software development. However the only sensiblr way to sponsor is to the foundation with it's political initiatives or paying for VPN. I generally align with their political views, but support political activities via other orgs and explicitly want a browser and related software. For the VPN product however I have no need. There is the way to sponsor individual non-Mozilla people, but that's more complicated ...