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There is a difference. With reasoning, you can predict future, to a degree. If I see a brick falling on me, I know I will feel pain in a few moments. This helps

There is a difference. With reasoning, you can predict future, to a degree. If I see a brick falling on me, I know I will feel pain in a few moments. This helps me to live a long and healthy life by avoiding falling bricks. Religion is, by design, unverifiable. It can't be used to predict the future. If it were, its predictions would be easy to check, which is not allowed. So all religious teachings evolved to avoid making any hard predictions about the future. The Messiah WILL come - but nobody will tell you the date. You WILL go to Heaven if you behave - but nobody came back to report.

bbor 3y ago
That’s the thing - you can’t predict the future 100% of the time. What if we float into a dark matter cloud tomorrow and it reverses gravity and we all fly off into space, bricks and all? Reasoning is great but we shouldn’t forget the faith element of induction
- WillAdams 3y ago
  The approach of the dark matter cloud would be seen in perturbations of orbits and its effects predicted long before they occur. Consider --- if you use traditional physics to completely calculate the orbit of all the planets around the solar system, everything falls out pretty much perfectly --- except for the orbit of Mercury --- it is elliptical and gradually rotates around the sun: - ~5,030 arc seconds of this rotation are from the gravity of the sun - ~530 arc seconds from the other planets - ~43 arc seconds cannot be accounted for by the classic laws of physics, but are perfectly explained by general relativity
mistermann 3y ago
> Religion is, by design, unverifiable. It can't be used to predict the future. Chapter 1 of the Tao te Ching has a long track record of quite accurately (not the best word?) but very vaguely predicts future human behavior: constant ignorance of the truth contained within the scripture, the consequences of which we continue to suffer.
ruszki 3y ago
While you are right, there is a reason why I used the way more constrained “your reasoning”, than “reasoning”.

bbor 3y ago

That’s the thing - you can’t predict the future 100% of the time. What if we float into a dark matter cloud tomorrow and it reverses gravity and we all fly off into space, bricks and all? Reasoning is great but we shouldn’t forget the faith element of induction

WillAdams 3y ago
The approach of the dark matter cloud would be seen in perturbations of orbits and its effects predicted long before they occur. Consider --- if you use traditional physics to completely calculate the orbit of all the planets around the solar system, everything falls out pretty much perfectly --- except for the orbit of Mercury --- it is elliptical and gradually rotates around the sun: - ~5,030 arc seconds of this rotation are from the gravity of the sun - ~530 arc seconds from the other planets - ~43 arc seconds cannot be accounted for by the classic laws of physics, but are perfectly explained by general relativity

mistermann 3y ago

> Religion is, by design, unverifiable. It can't be used to predict the future. Chapter 1 of the Tao te Ching has a long track record of quite accurately (not the best word?) but very vaguely predicts future human behavior: constant ignorance of the truth contained within the scripture, the consequences of which we continue to suffer.

ruszki 3y ago

While you are right, there is a reason why I used the way more constrained “your reasoning”, than “reasoning”.