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As the descendant of Carthaginians, I find this PEP offensive and disgraceful. If such module is to be introduced, I require that an equivalent "carthaginian" p

As the descendant of Carthaginians, I find this PEP offensive and disgraceful. If such module is to be introduced, I require that an equivalent "carthaginian" package be also added. By the way, did you know that the third Punic war officially ended in 1985, just 38 years ago?

Karellen 3y ago
OK, why didn't the war officially end when Carthage surrendered in 146BC? What does "surrender" even mean?
- hashar 3y ago
  They forgot to fill the paper work, the treaty formally ending the war got signed in 1985.
  - Karellen 3y ago
    > They forgot to fill the paper work, Sorry, without a "/s", can't tell if joking. Was some form of paperwork requirement the norm for officially ending a war back in 146BC? Also, how do we know that no treaty was made then? A lot of documents can get lost, or just disintegrate, in 2,000 years.
- rollcat 3y ago
  From Wikipedia[1]: > Rome still exists as the capital of Italy; the ruins of Carthage lie 16 km (10 mi) east of modern Tunis on the North African coast. A symbolic peace treaty was signed by Ugo Vetere and Chedli Klibi, the mayors of Rome and modern Carthage, respectively, on 5 February 1985; 2,131 years after the war ended. As of 2020 the modern settlement of Carthage was a district of the city of Tunis. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Punic_War#Aftermath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Punic_War#Aftermath
  - Karellen 3y ago
    > 2,131 years after the war ended. Edit: But also, that does not answer my question of why Carthage surrendering did not officially end the war.
shzhdbi09gv8ioi 3y ago
> third Punic war officially ended in 1985 Enough with the revisionism already! 1985 is about 1500 years after the Western Roman empire perished in 476 CE, and about 2100 years after Carthage city was burned to the ground and the citizen was killed in 146 BC, marking the end of the Carthage civilization. How is that date "official", exactly?
- BerislavLopac 3y ago
  "Official" is definitely a stretch, but there's this: https://cherwell.org/2016/02/05/lessons-from-history-the-end-of-the-third-punic-war-1985/ https://cherwell.org/2016/02/05/lessons-from-history-the-end...

Karellen 3y ago

OK, why didn't the war officially end when Carthage surrendered in 146BC? What does "surrender" even mean?

hashar 3y ago
They forgot to fill the paper work, the treaty formally ending the war got signed in 1985.
- Karellen 3y ago
  > They forgot to fill the paper work, Sorry, without a "/s", can't tell if joking. Was some form of paperwork requirement the norm for officially ending a war back in 146BC? Also, how do we know that no treaty was made then? A lot of documents can get lost, or just disintegrate, in 2,000 years.
rollcat 3y ago
From Wikipedia[1]: > Rome still exists as the capital of Italy; the ruins of Carthage lie 16 km (10 mi) east of modern Tunis on the North African coast. A symbolic peace treaty was signed by Ugo Vetere and Chedli Klibi, the mayors of Rome and modern Carthage, respectively, on 5 February 1985; 2,131 years after the war ended. As of 2020 the modern settlement of Carthage was a district of the city of Tunis. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Punic_War#Aftermath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Punic_War#Aftermath
- Karellen 3y ago
  > 2,131 years after the war ended. Edit: But also, that does not answer my question of why Carthage surrendering did not officially end the war.

shzhdbi09gv8ioi 3y ago

> third Punic war officially ended in 1985 Enough with the revisionism already! 1985 is about 1500 years after the Western Roman empire perished in 476 CE, and about 2100 years after Carthage city was burned to the ground and the citizen was killed in 146 BC, marking the end of the Carthage civilization. How is that date "official", exactly?

BerislavLopac 3y ago
"Official" is definitely a stretch, but there's this: https://cherwell.org/2016/02/05/lessons-from-history-the-end-of-the-third-punic-war-1985/ https://cherwell.org/2016/02/05/lessons-from-history-the-end...