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Electric vehicles will succeed or fail with how they can establish themselves on a second hand market. I would have the budget for such a price, but I certainl

Electric vehicles will succeed or fail with how they can establish themselves on a second hand market. I would have the budget for such a price, but I certainly wouldn't want to pay it. For official business there are company cars and I drive perhaps 5000 km per year. I still have a car and I need it to visit some more remote people and for convenience. Paid 2.5k for it and I have it since a few years. I do have a mechanic, so repairs are cheap, but you can guess about my expectations for buying the next car. Haven't seen EV with attractive prices yet.

mattmanser 3y ago
Do you mean particular brands? Electric cars in general will be the only option. The big countries in the EU are banning selling new petrol cars in 2035. So they'll definitely succeed, there's no option!
- lmm 3y ago
  Or people will stop driving. Or those deadlines will get pushed back.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    Given how many locations depend on having car available and public transport offerings are a joke even in Europe, I am more going into the deadlines being pushed back scenario. Not everyone is living in Amsterdam, Berlin, London,... city center.
    - soco 3y ago
      Here in the Swiss countryside public transport is okay, at least to my tastes (I know I criticize sometimes but only first world problems). So if those other countries need a working model, here we are waving at them...
      - pjmlp 3y ago
        Sure, if they also manage to have Swiss income and life quality in first place. I lived there for a couple of years during my CERN days.
vasdae 3y ago
>Electric vehicles will succeed or fail with how they can establish themselves on a second hand market. They will "succeed" because the government will force us to use them. It's us citizens who will succeed or fail to have freedom to move, depending on how wealthy we are ;)
jillesvangurp 3y ago
It will come. The "problem" with EVs is that they retain their value much longer. Which is factored into their second hand value. Second hand ICE cars are cheap because they start having lots of issues when they get older and the risk of them needing some maintenance that exceeds the purchase price gets higher and higher. If you buy a ten year old Nissan Leaf for, it will still be quite usable and be desirable enough that people are willing to pay a lot more than 2.5K for it. And if the time comes, you can put a new battery in it for 4-5K or so and drive it for another decade+. And of course there aren't that many EVs that old around to begin with because the market was relatively new and small ten years ago. Most EVs on the road are probably younger than 3 years or so. They'll be on the road for a long time and might change owner a lot. But it will take some time to trickle down.

mattmanser 3y ago

Do you mean particular brands? Electric cars in general will be the only option. The big countries in the EU are banning selling new petrol cars in 2035. So they'll definitely succeed, there's no option!

lmm 3y ago
Or people will stop driving. Or those deadlines will get pushed back.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  Given how many locations depend on having car available and public transport offerings are a joke even in Europe, I am more going into the deadlines being pushed back scenario. Not everyone is living in Amsterdam, Berlin, London,... city center.
  - soco 3y ago
    Here in the Swiss countryside public transport is okay, at least to my tastes (I know I criticize sometimes but only first world problems). So if those other countries need a working model, here we are waving at them...
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      Sure, if they also manage to have Swiss income and life quality in first place. I lived there for a couple of years during my CERN days.

vasdae 3y ago

>Electric vehicles will succeed or fail with how they can establish themselves on a second hand market. They will "succeed" because the government will force us to use them. It's us citizens who will succeed or fail to have freedom to move, depending on how wealthy we are ;)

jillesvangurp 3y ago

It will come. The "problem" with EVs is that they retain their value much longer. Which is factored into their second hand value. Second hand ICE cars are cheap because they start having lots of issues when they get older and the risk of them needing some maintenance that exceeds the purchase price gets higher and higher. If you buy a ten year old Nissan Leaf for, it will still be quite usable and be desirable enough that people are willing to pay a lot more than 2.5K for it. And if the time comes, you can put a new battery in it for 4-5K or so and drive it for another decade+. And of course there aren't that many EVs that old around to begin with because the market was relatively new and small ten years ago. Most EVs on the road are probably younger than 3 years or so. They'll be on the road for a long time and might change owner a lot. But it will take some time to trickle down.