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More affordable (and smaller!!!) electric cars would be nice. However, out of the mouth of mr Musk it sounds more like hot air to distract from their cybertruc

• zpeti 3y ago
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  • lawn 3y ago
    > Did I miss any of your possible talking points? Yes, that he has a cult following excusing everything he does.
  • manuelmoreale 3y ago
    > it was affordable for the right market segment. What is that supposed to mean? Everything at any price point can be affordable for the right market segment.
    • the-smug-one 3y ago
      You missed the part where whenever you under produce you're not going to be able to satisfy demand, making it so that you can have a waiting list :-).
      • zpeti 3y ago
        I mean, the model Y is the 4th best selling model in the world, the model 3 is 7th (in 2022). Yes I'm sure they are under producing, just to have a waiting list... I mean come on, you are arguing in such bad faith its insane. This is 20 year old car company that's producing the 4th best selling car int he world. It's insane. But sure, Elon is a liar and purposefully under produces... sigh.
        • the-smug-one 3y ago
          I was making fun because the fact that they have a waiting list doesn't matter at all, it's just an indication that Tesla can't keep up with demand. Anyway, I don't think that Tesla sucks. Even if I did like Elon I would still have made the same joke.
      • manuelmoreale 3y ago
        Supply and demand is one thing and that I can understand. But I don’t understand what “affordable for the right market segment” means.
  • surgical_fire 3y ago
    No, he is a liar because he is known to have lied in many of his "predictions". The fact is that those were not predictions, those were lies aimed at pumping up the stock price of his company, massively overpromising things that he likely fully knew were unachievable. I don't even hate the guy by the way. It's difficult to read balanced takes on him since he is such a polarizing figure, especially after he bought Twitter, and that got a lot of people's knickers in a bunch. But let's call a liar when we see one, shall we? It is healthier than being a sycophant for asshole billionaires.
    • zpeti 3y ago
      > No, he is a liar because he is known to have lied in many of his "predictions". Ok, so please provide the exact time you consider it a "lie" and not a "prediction" > The fact is that those were not predictions, those were lies aimed at pumping up the stock price of his company, He's won every single lawsuit about this so far, but feel free to sue him if you think this is what he did. With the level of scrutiny tesla is under, and the level of shortselling going on previously, if there was any of this going on there would have been massive class action lawsuits. You are repeating anti Elon talking points, without actual facts. But feel free to source the exact things you mention. Getting predictions wrong are not lies. Especially for an extremely ambitious entrepreneur in very tough markets. If it were, 99% of silicon valley would be in jail, or fired, or whatever.
      • surgical_fire 3y ago
        > sue him Why would I? I was never invested in any companies he is involved in. His lies never damaged my investments. I also don't buy any products made by his companies. You see, I take great care in not falling for grifters. And I have little interest in getting into a back and forth with someone white knighting for Elon. As I said, I don't even hate the guy, and let's be frank, you are not willing to let go any of your positions anyway. All his lies are well documented and easy to look up, but you will just hand wave them away, so let's cut this short. > 99% of silicon valley would be in jail Agreed. But rich assholes tend to get the powers that be on their side.
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  • bagels 3y ago
    It was marketed as a $35,000 car, and never sold as such. First editions were all more expensive (long range or dual motor, I forget which)
    • resolutebat 3y ago
      It was exactly $35k in 2019, and even today, despite massive inflation in the five years since, the base model is just under $39k. https://www.tesla.com/blog/35000-tesla-model-3-available-now https://www.tesla.com/blog/35000-tesla-model-3-available-now
      • Retric 3y ago
        It was available online at that price for 43 days February 28, 2019 to April 12, 2019. So, sure they sold a handful of cars at that price point, but only as a face saving measure not actually in bulk. Todays 39k cough 40k if you don’t want black, is viable due to battery prices falling dramatically over the 6 years since they started selling the car not them actually hitting the stated goal.
    • cloutchaser 3y ago
      They did. Then they stopped. https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/16/21569524/tesla-model-3-35000-price-stop-selling https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/16/21569524/tesla-model-3-3... The model 3 is still the 7th most sold car in 2022. Is a car company not allowed to raise prices? Like what standard are you holding tesla to? If they can sell a tesla for $42k, why sell it for $35k? Because Elon said so in 2015? That's ridiculous, its just not how markets or companies work. And they DID sell it for $35,000, for a while. So Elon didn't even lie. Absolutely ridiculous the mental gymnastics some people will go to to hate the guy. Insane.
      • bagels 3y ago
        They sold it for a few days at that price a few years after the car launched. I tried to buy one for that price. They said no. Of course they can raise prices, but they can also lie about what price the car will be sold at in the future. I later bought one for more than 35k. There are no mental gymnastics. Musk said I could buy one at a specific price. Tesla would not sell it to me at that price.
• Arnt 3y ago
  No. https://www.tesla.com/en_eu/blog/secret-tesla-motors-master-plan-just-between-you-and-me https://www.tesla.com/en_eu/blog/secret-tesla-motors-master-... says "So, in short, the master plan is: Build sports car. Use that money to build an affordable car. Use that money to build an even more affordable car. While doing above, also provide zero emission electric power generation options." There's no mention of stopping after a particular model.
  • bagels 3y ago
    Well, it doesn't say the cycle should repeat more than they already have. Roadster, Model S, Model 3.
  • mrpopo 3y ago
    That's a 17-y.o. blog post. Musk has very much changed since then. And where does the Cybertruck fall into that master plan?
    • Arnt 3y ago
      I'm sure he has, but are you saying that back then, he did not say he would stop making more affordable cars and more recently has has said he will stop?
      • jeo123 3y ago
        He did made Twitter less affordable.
    • mensetmanusman 3y ago
      Trucks are huge in us and need an ev option.
• ashgoyal 3y ago
  I think the real reason to bring it to Berlin is because the Mexico gigafactory is on pause at the moment. Irrespective of what one may think, Musk has achieved model 3 and model y production in face of criticism.
  • Retric 3y ago
    The model 3 is a very successful car. However, based on what the stated goal of the Model 3 was, it failed. Unless you consider a brief 43 day window when sales where slow as hitting the target. So, sure they may sell a handful of cars built at this factory at 25k, but more realistically this may be hitting the price point the Model 3 was aiming for.
    • ashgoyal 3y ago
      Car manufacturing is hard and sometimes it takes multiple iteration to get to the initial goal. Tata Nano was a similiar failure. In there case though, the car literally failed in the market at all prices.
• resolutebat 3y ago
  Tesla has been working on what the automotive press has dubbed the "Tesla 2" for quite some time, and quite a few details are already known: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_next-generation_vehicle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_next-generation_vehicle The only real news here is that Tesla is planning to build them in Germany, in addition to the previously announced Mexico plant.