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Don't bother with facts for the elon haters, they are emotionally invested in Elon being an evil billionaire right winger, who is only around because of governm

by zpeti 3y ago

Don't bother with facts for the elon haters, they are emotionally invested in Elon being an evil billionaire right winger, who is only around because of government tax incentives. Oh and it's his employees that did all the work, he just had money... (why didn't SLS, arianespace and blue origin work then? oh and the N1 russian rocket) Never mind the hundreds of data points to the contrary, the media now hates Elon, and it's surprising just how effective they've been at turning many people against him.

timschmidt 3y ago
It's really fascinating to see how the system reacts to agents of actual widespread change.
- ipython 3y ago
  Or perhaps two things could be true at the same time; SpaceX saves the government money on launches and Elon is a crazy shitposter on “X”
  - timschmidt 3y ago
    > Elon is a crazy shitposter on “X” Does anyone care beyond internet drama points? The man's efforts to engineer societal-level technological change toward sustainability seem to matter more in my estimation.
    - ipython 3y ago
      Clearly Elon does otherwise he wouldn’t do it? To me it reeks of a certain lack of self awareness, respect for others and questionable decision making. You can be interesting and edgy without being a total asshole. I also question his actual interest in sustainability. How exactly does paying $40 billion for Twitter fit into that grand strategy? What about driving a wedge between large groups of people by promoting hate speech helps any positive societal level change? Even if he did, do I want to put that power in one rich man?
      - timschmidt 3y ago
        > Clearly Elon does otherwise he wouldn’t do it? People are allowed to express themselves?
        erkt 3y ago
        Not people whose opinions differ from mine. /s
        timschmidt 3y ago
        I see comment threads about the dude and wonder sometimes where all the hate comes from. People's dissatisfaction with society and injustice and scarcity and all bad things? But then why direct it at this person, who is working to electrify transportation, reduce the cost of space by multiples, make communication globally available, why not some oil billionaire or war profiteer or large scale polluter? Certainly they exist. They must not post jokes on social media.
        ipython 3y ago
        Like I said before, two things can be true at the same time. I haven't shifted the goalposts here. You bring up an interesting point: why can't you be just as effective - if not more so - by just doing the things rather than doing the things and shitposting non-sequiturs? By sucking all the oxygen out of the room, you're right, the general discourse is focused on distractions and not the real issues. If, for example, he agrees with you that the real issue is oil companies and climate change, why doesn't he focus his public energies pointing that out???
        timschmidt 3y ago
        > why can't you be just as effective - if not more so - by just doing the things rather than doing the things and shitposting non-sequiturs? Medice, cura te ipsum
        boffinAudio 3y ago
- boffinAudio 3y ago
  Tall poppy syndrome abounds. It shouldn't be too much of a shock, alas, except they don't teach the realities of collective meta-cannibalism much in schools these days.
  - timschmidt 3y ago
    I've heard it described as crabs in a bucket or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality
    - boffinAudio 3y ago
      All cultures have their variant. Its my belief that this primal instinct to consume those who achieve more than average is derived from our ancient history as cannibals.
boeingUH60 3y ago
They somehow prefer the money goes to Boeing and ULA that have been robbing the taxpayers blind by delivering mediocre stuff for excessive budgets.
mptest 3y ago
>it's surprising just how effective they've been at turning many people against him. He's done plenty of it himself, retweeting nazi shit and great replacement shit and all types of horrible shit he supports on twitter. It takes a real boot licker to not recognize his overt evil he believes politically, and believe it's some media conspiracy. The fact he takes government money isn't a question, whether giving elon that money is a net benefit or detriment is a different question entirely. The boot is so far down your throat you're being as myopic as those you accuse of being myopic. I'll explain this real slow. The problem with people like elon isn't that they get tax payer money, it's that they act afterwords like they bootstrapped themselves alone in to success and then dodge billions in taxes. Simple enough for you elon simp??
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  > The fact he takes government money isn't a question > The problem with people like elon isn't that they get tax payer money, it's that they act afterwords like they bootstrapped themselves alone in to success and then dodge billions in taxes. Precisely. Elon has stood up and acted like multiple ventures of his either haven't received tax payer funding, or grants, or loans, or subsidies. He and his companies are perfectly entitled to do so. And we are perfectly entitled to call out bullshit when he goes on an interview/Twitter to talk about "without government assistance".
- marcusverus 3y ago
  > He's done plenty of it himself, retweeting nazi shit and great replacement shit and all types of horrible shit he supports on twitter. What "nazi shit" has he posted? When has he posted anything about a global conspiracy to replace white people? What "horrible shit" does he support on twitter? Do you have a handy example of this "overt evil"? > It takes a real boot licker to... believe it's some media conspiracy. There is no conspiracy required to generate hatred of someone who has become inconvenient--just a large number of journalists acting on their own desire to take him down a notch. How else do you explain the prevalence of hysterical knuckleheads accusing Elon of insane nonsense (like being "overt[ly] evil)?
  - 3y ago

by zpeti 3y ago

timschmidt 3y ago

It's really fascinating to see how the system reacts to agents of actual widespread change.

ipython 3y ago
Or perhaps two things could be true at the same time; SpaceX saves the government money on launches and Elon is a crazy shitposter on “X”
- timschmidt 3y ago
  > Elon is a crazy shitposter on “X” Does anyone care beyond internet drama points? The man's efforts to engineer societal-level technological change toward sustainability seem to matter more in my estimation.
  - ipython 3y ago
    Clearly Elon does otherwise he wouldn’t do it? To me it reeks of a certain lack of self awareness, respect for others and questionable decision making. You can be interesting and edgy without being a total asshole. I also question his actual interest in sustainability. How exactly does paying $40 billion for Twitter fit into that grand strategy? What about driving a wedge between large groups of people by promoting hate speech helps any positive societal level change? Even if he did, do I want to put that power in one rich man?
    - timschmidt 3y ago
      > Clearly Elon does otherwise he wouldn’t do it? People are allowed to express themselves?
      - erkt 3y ago
        Not people whose opinions differ from mine. /s
        timschmidt 3y ago
        I see comment threads about the dude and wonder sometimes where all the hate comes from. People's dissatisfaction with society and injustice and scarcity and all bad things? But then why direct it at this person, who is working to electrify transportation, reduce the cost of space by multiples, make communication globally available, why not some oil billionaire or war profiteer or large scale polluter? Certainly they exist. They must not post jokes on social media.
        ipython 3y ago
        Like I said before, two things can be true at the same time. I haven't shifted the goalposts here. You bring up an interesting point: why can't you be just as effective - if not more so - by just doing the things rather than doing the things and shitposting non-sequiturs? By sucking all the oxygen out of the room, you're right, the general discourse is focused on distractions and not the real issues. If, for example, he agrees with you that the real issue is oil companies and climate change, why doesn't he focus his public energies pointing that out???
        timschmidt 3y ago
        > why can't you be just as effective - if not more so - by just doing the things rather than doing the things and shitposting non-sequiturs? Medice, cura te ipsum
        boffinAudio 3y ago
boffinAudio 3y ago
Tall poppy syndrome abounds. It shouldn't be too much of a shock, alas, except they don't teach the realities of collective meta-cannibalism much in schools these days.
- timschmidt 3y ago
  I've heard it described as crabs in a bucket or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality
  - boffinAudio 3y ago
    All cultures have their variant. Its my belief that this primal instinct to consume those who achieve more than average is derived from our ancient history as cannibals.

boeingUH60 3y ago

They somehow prefer the money goes to Boeing and ULA that have been robbing the taxpayers blind by delivering mediocre stuff for excessive budgets.

mptest 3y ago

>it's surprising just how effective they've been at turning many people against him. He's done plenty of it himself, retweeting nazi shit and great replacement shit and all types of horrible shit he supports on twitter. It takes a real boot licker to not recognize his overt evil he believes politically, and believe it's some media conspiracy. The fact he takes government money isn't a question, whether giving elon that money is a net benefit or detriment is a different question entirely. The boot is so far down your throat you're being as myopic as those you accuse of being myopic. I'll explain this real slow. The problem with people like elon isn't that they get tax payer money, it's that they act afterwords like they bootstrapped themselves alone in to success and then dodge billions in taxes. Simple enough for you elon simp??

FireBeyond 3y ago
> The fact he takes government money isn't a question > The problem with people like elon isn't that they get tax payer money, it's that they act afterwords like they bootstrapped themselves alone in to success and then dodge billions in taxes. Precisely. Elon has stood up and acted like multiple ventures of his either haven't received tax payer funding, or grants, or loans, or subsidies. He and his companies are perfectly entitled to do so. And we are perfectly entitled to call out bullshit when he goes on an interview/Twitter to talk about "without government assistance".
marcusverus 3y ago
> He's done plenty of it himself, retweeting nazi shit and great replacement shit and all types of horrible shit he supports on twitter. What "nazi shit" has he posted? When has he posted anything about a global conspiracy to replace white people? What "horrible shit" does he support on twitter? Do you have a handy example of this "overt evil"? > It takes a real boot licker to... believe it's some media conspiracy. There is no conspiracy required to generate hatred of someone who has become inconvenient--just a large number of journalists acting on their own desire to take him down a notch. How else do you explain the prevalence of hysterical knuckleheads accusing Elon of insane nonsense (like being "overt[ly] evil)?
- 3y ago