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> And who likes to file bugs in Bugzilla? Not only has it been years since I last have heard of bugzilla, I also really resented it! Moving to a modern infras

> And who likes to file bugs in Bugzilla? Not only has it been years since I last have heard of bugzilla, I also really resented it! Moving to a modern infrastructure really improves accessibility for developers. For example, GHC (Haskell Compiler) moved to gitlab a few years ago and while previously it was really hard for me to understand the development process nowdays I can follow pull requests and tickets of features I am interested in without any problem. Previously the system was really complicated and, if I remember correctly, Phabricator, mailing list etc. based. Off putting as a newcomer.

sydbarrett74 3y ago
Agreed. Bugzilla just needs to go away. There are so many, far superior issue trackers. Plus Mozilla could allocate resources to Firefox and Thunderbird.
pointlessone 3y ago
Bugzilla is fine. It looks OK. You can subscribe to individual tickets. It doesn’t support emoji reactions or Markdown but it does the job just fine. One thing it does better than GH issues is ticket dependencies even with tree/graph visualization. GH just has no blockers/blocked issues in any form or shape. New ticket form has a few more fields than the default GH issue form but it’s much better than it used to be back in the days and comparable to custom form on GH. You also can log it with your GH account so not much of a barrier there, too. Seriously, try Mozilla’s bugzilla now and see for yourself. It’s probably not as bad as you remember it. Also consider that Mozilla’s bugzilla contains quarter of a century worth of tickets. There’s no way it can be moved to GitHub (or wherever) without loss of data.
- ChrisSD 3y ago
  IIRC, Python managed to move to github issues.
  - sScTE9qEMCxEk34 3y ago
    Kinda... they completely lost any kind of user-lookup or CCs or versions or any other data... but yeah sure they moved comments I guess that's everything ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- pascalchevrel 3y ago
  FYI, Bugzilla supports markdown just fine :)
- cpeterso 3y ago
  And AFAIU, GitHub doesn't have a way to limit the visibility of individual tickets, so even Mozilla teams that use GitHub's issue tracker still use Bugzilla for their security bugs.
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sScTE9qEMCxEk34 3y ago
What you're saying is that a complex tool requires learning to understand it. Of course it does. Does that make the less complex tool better? No, in fact usually it only makes it better for the occasional user - at the expense of the all-day-every-day user.

sydbarrett74 3y ago

Agreed. Bugzilla just needs to go away. There are so many, far superior issue trackers. Plus Mozilla could allocate resources to Firefox and Thunderbird.

pointlessone 3y ago

Bugzilla is fine. It looks OK. You can subscribe to individual tickets. It doesn’t support emoji reactions or Markdown but it does the job just fine. One thing it does better than GH issues is ticket dependencies even with tree/graph visualization. GH just has no blockers/blocked issues in any form or shape. New ticket form has a few more fields than the default GH issue form but it’s much better than it used to be back in the days and comparable to custom form on GH. You also can log it with your GH account so not much of a barrier there, too. Seriously, try Mozilla’s bugzilla now and see for yourself. It’s probably not as bad as you remember it. Also consider that Mozilla’s bugzilla contains quarter of a century worth of tickets. There’s no way it can be moved to GitHub (or wherever) without loss of data.

ChrisSD 3y ago
IIRC, Python managed to move to github issues.
- sScTE9qEMCxEk34 3y ago
  Kinda... they completely lost any kind of user-lookup or CCs or versions or any other data... but yeah sure they moved comments I guess that's everything ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
pascalchevrel 3y ago
FYI, Bugzilla supports markdown just fine :)
cpeterso 3y ago
And AFAIU, GitHub doesn't have a way to limit the visibility of individual tickets, so even Mozilla teams that use GitHub's issue tracker still use Bugzilla for their security bugs.
- deleted 3y ago
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sScTE9qEMCxEk34 3y ago

What you're saying is that a complex tool requires learning to understand it. Of course it does. Does that make the less complex tool better? No, in fact usually it only makes it better for the occasional user - at the expense of the all-day-every-day user.