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I don't understand the logic of this. Belle speaks as if it is actually a nude photo of herself. Doesn't she understand that it's not?

by Canada 3y ago

mjevans 3y ago
The slander / reputation damage alone is the issue. It's an attack on their sense of self and community.
- Teever 3y ago
  It sucks, but it's the lesser of two evils scenario. A world where nudes of you are floating around and you can't make the claim that they're AI fakes is far worse than one where nudes of you are floating around and you can make that claim. Even the slimmest of plausible deniability is enough to save face in a lot of situations.
- webninja 3y ago
  Perhaps the solution is to not let nudes cause damage. As an example, look at how Amazon founder Jeff Bezos treated the situation when a nude was lifted off of his phone by a middle eastern hacker. His response was: “So what?”. We’re in the Age of AI so it’s okay to not be prude Victorian-aged puritans over naked bodies.
  - mjevans 3y ago
    Were it that easy... The community is not that understanding. Groups of people go mean surprisingly easily. This is also one of the reasons victims of other crimes are further damaged beyond just the initial crime. They become classified / treated as a victim rather than empowered and supported in positive ways.
  - 8note 3y ago
    Jeff b is up towards the richest person on earth. He's not a comparable rxample
  - Canada 3y ago
    It's not the same for women and we shouldn't pretend otherwise. Nudes of a women do real damage to her. Her social standing is actually lowered as a result. She will even suffer again in the future if the material becomes known to a new social circle years later. Most men will be embarrassed of course, but will not suffer any social damage as a result. This is why "Slut-shaming" works. If women could just say, "so what?" then it wouldn't be practiced in the first place. Want to change that? Real tough. Maybe go for something easier like world peace. The existence of the AI fakes will probably change the equation in time though. Women will gain plausible deniability because any nude could be a fake.
superb_dev 3y ago
If it has the same effect, what's the difference? She's clearly hurt. The person who generated it doesn't care that it's fake, and I bet anyone they share it with doesn't. Kids are brutal.
- tennisflyi 3y ago
  Disagree. I want real nudes. Not fake nudes.
Spivak 3y ago
I don't think the difference matters in the slightest to the person being impersonated. It wouldn't matter to me, the damaging thing is that nudes of you are circulating not that the photos are real. How could anyone who isn't the victim even know the difference?
happytoexplain 3y ago
The implication that the only possible explanation for this young person's reaction to the distribution of a hyperrealistic sexual depiction of them is that they don't understand it's not a real photo is deeply emotionally retarded (though, frankly, it's possible you're being provocative/insulting on purpose).
- cuttysnark 3y ago
  > deeply emotionally retarded It's best to lead by example. There are a million other words to use to express how you feel about this. Consider shaking your vocab tree. I come in peace. Edit: I stand corrected. I was unaware that this phrase is acceptable and even commonly used. My apologies.
- bloopernova 3y ago
  If they're trolling or not, if the effect is the same then just treat them like a troll. There needs to be a version of Poe's law that deals with trolling vs emotional insensitivity. I wish I could wave a magic wand and get each comment in threads like this annotated with contextual information. Stuff like age, what relationships with women the commenter has, etc etc. Note I don't think this is remotely possible, just that I'd really like to see the context behind some comments.
- Canada 3y ago
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  - edanm 3y ago
    > The boy, let's call him Johnny, draws a stick figure of her with a dick in her mouth and captions it, "Belle is a slut" and then has a laugh with the boys at her expense. That is all this is, except with new software. Leaving aside the rest of your comment, this part I don't agree with. There are obvious differences - for example, one is clearly "not real" and clearly could have been done without consent of the person in the drawing. The second one looks real, and therefore implies that the person in the photograph likely consented to having their picture taken. Not to mention that a stick figure drawing and a realistic photo of something are two obviously very different things. It's disingenuous to claim there are no differences here.
roenxi 3y ago
Part of the social calculation here is you have to assume that people are, while maybe not exactly stupid, hurried and disinterested. A fake set of nudes looks a lot like a real set, and so brings the same sort of social pressure to bear. If someone engages their executive reasoning there is a big difference ... but anyone counting on humans to do that is living life on the edge! A lot of people aren't going to correctly interpret what is going on. Although it is pretty much impossible to do anything about this, so people are just going to have to get used to it. Anything that manages to stop men being wildly interested in naked women will probably take out the entire species.
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nunez 3y ago
It doesn't matter whether it is or isn't. This is something she'll have to deal with for a very long time (or as long as it takes for the images to get mostly scrubbed from the Internet).

I don't understand the logic of this. Belle speaks as if it is actually a nude photo of herself. Doesn't she understand that it's not?

by Canada 3y ago

I don't understand the logic of this. Belle speaks as if it is actually a nude photo of herself. Doesn't she understand that it's not?

mjevans 3y ago

The slander / reputation damage alone is the issue. It's an attack on their sense of self and community.

Teever 3y ago
It sucks, but it's the lesser of two evils scenario. A world where nudes of you are floating around and you can't make the claim that they're AI fakes is far worse than one where nudes of you are floating around and you can make that claim. Even the slimmest of plausible deniability is enough to save face in a lot of situations.
webninja 3y ago
Perhaps the solution is to not let nudes cause damage. As an example, look at how Amazon founder Jeff Bezos treated the situation when a nude was lifted off of his phone by a middle eastern hacker. His response was: “So what?”. We’re in the Age of AI so it’s okay to not be prude Victorian-aged puritans over naked bodies.
- mjevans 3y ago
  Were it that easy... The community is not that understanding. Groups of people go mean surprisingly easily. This is also one of the reasons victims of other crimes are further damaged beyond just the initial crime. They become classified / treated as a victim rather than empowered and supported in positive ways.
- 8note 3y ago
  Jeff b is up towards the richest person on earth. He's not a comparable rxample
- Canada 3y ago
  It's not the same for women and we shouldn't pretend otherwise. Nudes of a women do real damage to her. Her social standing is actually lowered as a result. She will even suffer again in the future if the material becomes known to a new social circle years later. Most men will be embarrassed of course, but will not suffer any social damage as a result. This is why "Slut-shaming" works. If women could just say, "so what?" then it wouldn't be practiced in the first place. Want to change that? Real tough. Maybe go for something easier like world peace. The existence of the AI fakes will probably change the equation in time though. Women will gain plausible deniability because any nude could be a fake.

superb_dev 3y ago

If it has the same effect, what's the difference? She's clearly hurt. The person who generated it doesn't care that it's fake, and I bet anyone they share it with doesn't. Kids are brutal.

tennisflyi 3y ago
Disagree. I want real nudes. Not fake nudes.

Spivak 3y ago

I don't think the difference matters in the slightest to the person being impersonated. It wouldn't matter to me, the damaging thing is that nudes of you are circulating not that the photos are real. How could anyone who isn't the victim even know the difference?

happytoexplain 3y ago

The implication that the only possible explanation for this young person's reaction to the distribution of a hyperrealistic sexual depiction of them is that they don't understand it's not a real photo is deeply emotionally retarded (though, frankly, it's possible you're being provocative/insulting on purpose).

cuttysnark 3y ago
> deeply emotionally retarded It's best to lead by example. There are a million other words to use to express how you feel about this. Consider shaking your vocab tree. I come in peace. Edit: I stand corrected. I was unaware that this phrase is acceptable and even commonly used. My apologies.
bloopernova 3y ago
If they're trolling or not, if the effect is the same then just treat them like a troll. There needs to be a version of Poe's law that deals with trolling vs emotional insensitivity. I wish I could wave a magic wand and get each comment in threads like this annotated with contextual information. Stuff like age, what relationships with women the commenter has, etc etc. Note I don't think this is remotely possible, just that I'd really like to see the context behind some comments.
Canada 3y ago
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- edanm 3y ago
  > The boy, let's call him Johnny, draws a stick figure of her with a dick in her mouth and captions it, "Belle is a slut" and then has a laugh with the boys at her expense. That is all this is, except with new software. Leaving aside the rest of your comment, this part I don't agree with. There are obvious differences - for example, one is clearly "not real" and clearly could have been done without consent of the person in the drawing. The second one looks real, and therefore implies that the person in the photograph likely consented to having their picture taken. Not to mention that a stick figure drawing and a realistic photo of something are two obviously very different things. It's disingenuous to claim there are no differences here.

roenxi 3y ago

Part of the social calculation here is you have to assume that people are, while maybe not exactly stupid, hurried and disinterested. A fake set of nudes looks a lot like a real set, and so brings the same sort of social pressure to bear. If someone engages their executive reasoning there is a big difference ... but anyone counting on humans to do that is living life on the edge! A lot of people aren't going to correctly interpret what is going on. Although it is pretty much impossible to do anything about this, so people are just going to have to get used to it. Anything that manages to stop men being wildly interested in naked women will probably take out the entire species.

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nunez 3y ago

It doesn't matter whether it is or isn't. This is something she'll have to deal with for a very long time (or as long as it takes for the images to get mostly scrubbed from the Internet).