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Freedom of speech. Every other major social network actively suppresses speech. Especially conservative speech or anything that doesn't align with the ideology

Freedom of speech. Every other major social network actively suppresses speech. Especially conservative speech or anything that doesn't align with the ideology of the left. And I don't even consider myself a conservative. I just like my information uncensored.

gravitronic 3y ago
Oh fun, can you please give specific examples to what sort of thing is now allowed on X but not on facebook, that keeps you on X?
- j16sdiz 3y ago
  X is still relatively porn-friendly.
- bufferoverflow 3y ago
  It took me like 5 minutes to google a bunch of conservatives that got banned on FB. And it's not them that keeps me on X, it's the idea that some random activists are deciding which political speech I'm not allowed to see. It actually made me go and see what these people have to say. Examples: - Donald Trump. - Milo Yiannopoulos. - Paul Joseph Watson. - Laura Loomer. - Alex Jones.
  - angoragoats 3y ago
    These are not conservatives, they are criminals, authoritarians, fascists, and unhinged conspiracy theorists, who should not be given “free reach” to spread their message to millions of people. On the other hand, pg, the creator of this site, was banned under the new management at Twitter. Ditto many other people whose only transgressions were saying words like “cis” or relaying publicly-available information. Free speech indeed.
    - wrycoder 3y ago
      pg posts many times a day on Twitter. He was briefly banned when Elon and he started arguing, but they quickly worked it out.
      - angoragoats 3y ago
        Yes, that’s true, and doesn’t refute anything I said. I mean, literal Nazis post hateful shit every day and don’t get banned. So the takeaway is that as long as you don’t anger the toddler-in-chief you’re good to go. Free speech!!
threeseed 3y ago
Twitter is complying with more government demands under Elon Musk. [1] Before Musk, Twitter's full compliance rate hovered around 50%; since the takeover, it is over 80%. These countries include China [2] and India [3]. [1] https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-orders https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-or... [2] https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/twitter-elon-musk-china-dissidents-1234643726/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/twitte... [3] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/05/twitter-accused-of-censorship-in-india-as-it-blocks-modi-critics-elon-musk https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/05/twitter-accuse...
- junofan 3y ago
  What’s wrong with following the law? The article you linked states that Twitter used to not follow the law. Now it does. I’m happy with the speech laws in my country, and full compliance is all I want from a messaging layer.
  - threeseed 3y ago
    Because in many countries e.g. China the laws are more about ensuring companies toe the government line. So you can't argue that X cares more about free speech than Twitter when they aren't willing to fight those laws through the judicial system. As always judge people on their actions not their words.
- deleted 3y ago
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gkoberger 3y ago
Elon has done just as much “censoring”, if not more. He’s just changed what he censors. Remember when he went on a personal banning spree? Or increasing censorship on the things the Turkish/Chinese government asked him to? Or where he banned people for “parodies”? Or blocking links, like those to Substack? Or shadow-banning people he personally was arguing with, such as Taibbi? Or how he now considers the word “cis” a slur that you can’t say? He even banned the guy who created this site (pg). He censors. He just censors the things he doesn’t like. Can you give an example of anything you can say on Twitter that you can’t say on, say, Mastadon or even Facebook?
- bufferoverflow 3y ago
  "As much" censoring is a lie. Prior to Elon Twitter banned tons of conservative accounts with hundreds of thousands or millions of followers. Taibbi is still on Twitter and is posting like every hour: https://twitter.com/mtaibbi https://twitter.com/mtaibbi > Can you give an example of anything you can say on Twitter that you can’t say on, say, Mastadon or even Facebook? Ask Trump.
- zappb 3y ago
  It’s much easier to get away with racial slurs on Twitter now, especially if they’re 21st century slurs commonly used on 4chan. On Mastodon, people will block or defederate you for that, but Twitter will make it trend.
phailhaus 3y ago
Facts don't care about your feelings: Twitter admitted it was biased towards rightwing politicians and news outlets. [1] The idea that Twitter was "censoring conservatives" was always a lie, because they tended to break the rules more often. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-admits-bias-in-algorithm-for-rightwing-politicians-and-news-outlets https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-a...
- lmm 3y ago
  > Twitter admitted it was biased towards rightwing politicians and news outlets. Twitter claimed it was biased towards rightwing politicians and news outlets, while refusing to release the data that it claimed would show this. > The idea that Twitter was "censoring conservatives" was always a lie, because they tended to break the rules more often. Were those rules neutral? Even more importantly, were the people determining whether those rules were broken or not?
- bufferoverflow 3y ago
  > because they tended to break the rules more often. No, this is a lie. The rules were applied in a very one-sided manner. A left-leaning poster would not even get a warning, while a right-leaning one would get insta-banned forever for the smallest infraction.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - angoragoats 3y ago
    Please provide evidence to support your claims.
kodapoda 3y ago
So glad Musk personally banned the account that was tracking his flights. This country would have transformed into a communist dystopia if it was allowed to operate any longer.
zlg_codes 3y ago
If you want free speech, you will never get it on a platform. Self hosting is the only way to know your message isn't tampered with or canceled. I have a friend who thinks X and Elon are great, and yet he misses the possibility of no platform at all to interfere in your communications. Many Twitter accounts have been locked post Elon, so it's curious to me how anyone can consider it truly uncensored or free speech in any capacity.
- fortran77 3y ago
  KiwiFarms couldn’t even self-host.
  - zlg_codes 3y ago
    Not totally familiar with what happened with that site. What prevented them from hosting?
    - inemesitaffia 3y ago
      Can't get an ISP or CDN
thomasfromcdnjs 3y ago
Not sure why you are getting downvoted. As a centrist Australia, it was clearly leftist. I much prefer it now, I can actually see post from both sides.

gravitronic 3y ago

Oh fun, can you please give specific examples to what sort of thing is now allowed on X but not on facebook, that keeps you on X?

j16sdiz 3y ago
X is still relatively porn-friendly.
bufferoverflow 3y ago
It took me like 5 minutes to google a bunch of conservatives that got banned on FB. And it's not them that keeps me on X, it's the idea that some random activists are deciding which political speech I'm not allowed to see. It actually made me go and see what these people have to say. Examples: - Donald Trump. - Milo Yiannopoulos. - Paul Joseph Watson. - Laura Loomer. - Alex Jones.
- angoragoats 3y ago
  These are not conservatives, they are criminals, authoritarians, fascists, and unhinged conspiracy theorists, who should not be given “free reach” to spread their message to millions of people. On the other hand, pg, the creator of this site, was banned under the new management at Twitter. Ditto many other people whose only transgressions were saying words like “cis” or relaying publicly-available information. Free speech indeed.
  - wrycoder 3y ago
    pg posts many times a day on Twitter. He was briefly banned when Elon and he started arguing, but they quickly worked it out.
    - angoragoats 3y ago
      Yes, that’s true, and doesn’t refute anything I said. I mean, literal Nazis post hateful shit every day and don’t get banned. So the takeaway is that as long as you don’t anger the toddler-in-chief you’re good to go. Free speech!!

threeseed 3y ago

Twitter is complying with more government demands under Elon Musk. [1] Before Musk, Twitter's full compliance rate hovered around 50%; since the takeover, it is over 80%. These countries include China [2] and India [3]. [1] https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-orders https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-or... [2] https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/twitter-elon-musk-china-dissidents-1234643726/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/twitte... [3] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/05/twitter-accused-of-censorship-in-india-as-it-blocks-modi-critics-elon-musk https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/05/twitter-accuse...

junofan 3y ago
What’s wrong with following the law? The article you linked states that Twitter used to not follow the law. Now it does. I’m happy with the speech laws in my country, and full compliance is all I want from a messaging layer.
- threeseed 3y ago
  Because in many countries e.g. China the laws are more about ensuring companies toe the government line. So you can't argue that X cares more about free speech than Twitter when they aren't willing to fight those laws through the judicial system. As always judge people on their actions not their words.
deleted 3y ago
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gkoberger 3y ago

Elon has done just as much “censoring”, if not more. He’s just changed what he censors. Remember when he went on a personal banning spree? Or increasing censorship on the things the Turkish/Chinese government asked him to? Or where he banned people for “parodies”? Or blocking links, like those to Substack? Or shadow-banning people he personally was arguing with, such as Taibbi? Or how he now considers the word “cis” a slur that you can’t say? He even banned the guy who created this site (pg). He censors. He just censors the things he doesn’t like. Can you give an example of anything you can say on Twitter that you can’t say on, say, Mastadon or even Facebook?

bufferoverflow 3y ago
"As much" censoring is a lie. Prior to Elon Twitter banned tons of conservative accounts with hundreds of thousands or millions of followers. Taibbi is still on Twitter and is posting like every hour: https://twitter.com/mtaibbi https://twitter.com/mtaibbi > Can you give an example of anything you can say on Twitter that you can’t say on, say, Mastadon or even Facebook? Ask Trump.
zappb 3y ago
It’s much easier to get away with racial slurs on Twitter now, especially if they’re 21st century slurs commonly used on 4chan. On Mastodon, people will block or defederate you for that, but Twitter will make it trend.

phailhaus 3y ago

Facts don't care about your feelings: Twitter admitted it was biased towards rightwing politicians and news outlets. [1] The idea that Twitter was "censoring conservatives" was always a lie, because they tended to break the rules more often. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-admits-bias-in-algorithm-for-rightwing-politicians-and-news-outlets https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-a...

lmm 3y ago
> Twitter admitted it was biased towards rightwing politicians and news outlets. Twitter claimed it was biased towards rightwing politicians and news outlets, while refusing to release the data that it claimed would show this. > The idea that Twitter was "censoring conservatives" was always a lie, because they tended to break the rules more often. Were those rules neutral? Even more importantly, were the people determining whether those rules were broken or not?
bufferoverflow 3y ago
> because they tended to break the rules more often. No, this is a lie. The rules were applied in a very one-sided manner. A left-leaning poster would not even get a warning, while a right-leaning one would get insta-banned forever for the smallest infraction.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- angoragoats 3y ago
  Please provide evidence to support your claims.

kodapoda 3y ago

So glad Musk personally banned the account that was tracking his flights. This country would have transformed into a communist dystopia if it was allowed to operate any longer.

zlg_codes 3y ago

If you want free speech, you will never get it on a platform. Self hosting is the only way to know your message isn't tampered with or canceled. I have a friend who thinks X and Elon are great, and yet he misses the possibility of no platform at all to interfere in your communications. Many Twitter accounts have been locked post Elon, so it's curious to me how anyone can consider it truly uncensored or free speech in any capacity.

fortran77 3y ago
KiwiFarms couldn’t even self-host.
- zlg_codes 3y ago
  Not totally familiar with what happened with that site. What prevented them from hosting?
  - inemesitaffia 3y ago
    Can't get an ISP or CDN

thomasfromcdnjs 3y ago

Not sure why you are getting downvoted. As a centrist Australia, it was clearly leftist. I much prefer it now, I can actually see post from both sides.