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https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/from-mothers-pensions-to-welfare-queens-debunking-myths-about-welfare/ https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/from-mo

https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/from-mothers-pensions-to-welfare-queens-debunking-myths-about-welfare/ https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/from-mothers-pensio... "For every 10,000 households participating in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), about 14 contained a recipient who was investigated and determined to have committed fraud (via a 2018 report by the Congressional Research Service). Within SNAP, for every $10,000 paid in benefits, about $11 is determined by state agencies to have been overpaid due to recipient fraud. To put this into perspective, the IRS estimates that for every $6 owed in federal taxes, $1 is not paid because of tax evasion or fraud."

WalterBright 3y ago
I didn't write about fraud. Everything these folks did was perfectly legal and followed the rules. Well, except the off-the-books job.
phil21 3y ago
This comment I put up there with talking about welfare queens. It shows someone's politics immediately. Fraud as defined by these authors is very rare. They are not talking about what the average person is when they talk about common welfare fraud. These studies mean outright fraud, not someone able body choosing to game the system instead of working. If you changed the definition to match the collequal understanding of fraud your results would not be a number literally everyone who lives in neighborhoods where benefit recipients are the majority laughs at when told. It's like saying the PPP program had very little outright fraud. True. But in my mind, you committed fraud if you took the money and didn't actually end up truly needing it for it's intended purpose. Most share my definition. Under that definition I'd posit the vast majority of PPP recipients participatated in fraud, but it will never show up in the studies or numbers. Anyone who has spent any amount of time actually living within these communities understands the situation with benefits looks pretty much like the situation with PPP writ large.

WalterBright 3y ago

I didn't write about fraud. Everything these folks did was perfectly legal and followed the rules. Well, except the off-the-books job.

phil21 3y ago

This comment I put up there with talking about welfare queens. It shows someone's politics immediately. Fraud as defined by these authors is very rare. They are not talking about what the average person is when they talk about common welfare fraud. These studies mean outright fraud, not someone able body choosing to game the system instead of working. If you changed the definition to match the collequal understanding of fraud your results would not be a number literally everyone who lives in neighborhoods where benefit recipients are the majority laughs at when told. It's like saying the PPP program had very little outright fraud. True. But in my mind, you committed fraud if you took the money and didn't actually end up truly needing it for it's intended purpose. Most share my definition. Under that definition I'd posit the vast majority of PPP recipients participatated in fraud, but it will never show up in the studies or numbers. Anyone who has spent any amount of time actually living within these communities understands the situation with benefits looks pretty much like the situation with PPP writ large.